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post #1 of 18 Old 05-03-2020, 07:08 AM Thread Starter
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3 Point seat belt mounting

Replacing my seatbelts. Anyone have a good picture of the mounting on the floor? My seatbelts are not installed correctly and want to make sure I get these in right. Thanks for any help.

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post #2 of 18 Old 05-21-2020, 09:55 AM Thread Starter
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Any one have any close up pics of how that are installed????

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post #3 of 18 Old 05-21-2020, 11:44 AM
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I just bought and installed these in my 83 Scrambler. I chose them specifically because I would only need to use two holes for the retractable side (one hole on the roll bar and one hole on the floor). If you look closely at the bottom, you'll see a metal plate the connects the retractor end and the lap end (look at the pic and this will make more sense).

https://www.wescoperformance.com/92-...s-retract.html
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I see that. I may have to order those because it looks like it would work for my cj. Thanks.
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I need to do the same thing except i have a 1976 and it only required two seat belts and I want to go to 3 point eventually which mean I have obliviously have to do a little fab work on my roll bar. I will be looking to put the same belts in as these. Do I just need to weld the upper in place or drill and bolt down? I will admit it's different driving around with only the lap belt on, and I'd hate to have to kiss that steering wheel. I do drive pretty conservative on the roads with top and doors off.
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post #6 of 18 Old 05-22-2020, 06:57 AM
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You probably want to drill a hole rather than weld (in case you ever want or need to remove the seat belt). You will also want to weld a sleeve in the hole that you drill to keep the roll bar from collapsing in under tension. And use grade 8 hardware. That’s what I’d do anyway.
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To the OP. The way my '83 7 is, your year 5 might be different but. The retractable bolts to the side of the tub on the B pillar, up to the roll bar, and back down to the floor. The bracket on the loose end bolts to the floor basically under the retractable with the belt pointing towards the front of the jeep. Getting to dark to take a pic, but if ya really need one i can try in the AM.
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To the OP. The way my '83 7 is, your year 5 might be different but. The retractable bolts to the side of the tub on the B pillar, up to the roll bar, and back down to the floor. The bracket on the loose end bolts to the floor basically under the retractable with the belt pointing towards the front of the jeep. Getting to dark to take a pic, but if ya really need one i can try in the AM.
A picture would be helpful. I’m putting 3 points in my CJ5 and am trying to see how/where to mount the retractor.
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How about that pic?? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks!

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can we see a picture of your jeep , there are so many variations of the cj 5 that it's pretty hard to tell you what to do without seeing what you have . I am rebuilding a a cj5 now and had to make all my own installation points because the new tub had nothing . Mine is like this, retractor mounted on the B pillar , the opposite end of the belt from the retractor mount's to the outside bolt of the roll bar mount that is located beside the B pillar on my jeep (some CJ 5 roll bars are mounted further back so you would have to make a point near the retractor ) . the center mount for the retractor is on the roll bar . the locking end of the belt is on the center floor .. It should be noted that any new mounting points should be backed by a heavy metal plate that is welded to the body (a bolt could easily be pulled through body metal in a accident ). The retractor also needs to be mounted in the correct position to work correctly on impact (normally mounted flush to the side of the tub on the B pillar with the belt exit facing up). I am thinking it may not be possible if your roll bar is too far back because of the belt route from the retractor to the roll bar . the belt route should pretty near be straight up and down.cheers ..
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I installed mine. I attached a few pictures. The setup worked out fine. No issues. The only thing that I would have maybe done different is use those purchased seat belt bungs for roll bars that are tapped 7/16 and have a boss on one end. Maybe I will change to that one day if I’m board and want a fun little project.

Female buckle is attached to the factory mounting point on the floor. I used a 12” buckle with plastic sleeve, plus a 6” steel extension bracket.

Retractor is mounted to the floor with an L-bracket and a hole drilled through the floor.

Shoulder anchor point is to the roll bar. I drilled a hole through the bar, welded in a piece of 3/8 sch 40 pipe that goes all the way through, welded all the way around, front and back. I also rolled a thick fender washer that fits nicely on the back side of the bar, in case all of the welds rip out (but they won’t). I pretty much just added the washers so a debate about welds ripping out wouldn’t start on Jeepforum. The second stainless washer is just there so the paint doesn’t get scraped off the big washer when tightening the nut.

Anchor point of other end of retractor belt is attached to factory anchor point on wheel well.

I got the seat belts and all brackets from seatbelts plus. However, the design of the male buckle was awful. It was unusable. It is supposed to be a slip fit, so you pull it across your body and buckle it in at your hip. It was not a slip fit. It was the male buckle from a lap belt and had a knurled bar. My kids couldn’t even move it. It was awful. I replaced it with a slip fit buckle from an auto salvage yard. Works correctly now, works great. I’m pretty sure they came from an old ford ranger. I looked through a lot of cars, so I’m not sure. If you get the plastic female buckle, you can get one from any car; that’s the style that pretty much all modern cars have. I got metal square buckles to match the vintage of the Jeep.
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Interesting I have never seen a retractor mounted in that way (those ones may have been designed to be mounted sideways). retractor's today have an inertia ball that is sensitive to motion (this is part of the primary locking device on a dual acting retractor found in newer cars )most retractors would have to be rotated 90 degrees for the inertia ball to roll forward and lock the device . you would still have the centrifugal function but would have disabled one of the functions if you mount them wrong . you also need to make sure you mount the correct retractor on the drivers and passanger sides for this reason ... make sure whatever belts you use you get good instructions for mounting ..
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Thanks. I certainly did use the instructions. Instructions attached.
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Are you sure they are not simply talking about how to mount the bracket in relation to the side or front of the retractor, it does not mention the front or side of the vehicle in relation to the retractor. I would give the company a call to make sure , easy enough to just rotate them if need be . I know 100% for sure you can not mount the stock CJ belt retractor that way.I would be surprised that a replacement belt designed to fit the mount on a CJ would be designed to be rotated 90 degrees..
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I’ll check into it.
They are not Jeep seat belts. They are just universal 3 point retractable seat belts.
Before I installed them, I looked around on Jeep forum. I found several retractors mounted that way. A couple pictures that I screenshot when looking around are attached.
Both of my seat belts definitely work. They both lock up when you pull on them.
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