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post #1 of 15 Old 08-03-2021, 07:59 PM Thread Starter
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Is the noob screwing up his WK? Lift questions!

I'm installing a 2" Rough Country spacer lift. On the rear, I also installed the F-150 Monroe Load Leveler shocks for additional lift. I went from 19.25" to 23" on the rear (measured from center of hub to fender lip).



On the front, I'm using the Billstein 5100s, set to the 1.75" setting. The thought was to gain the same additional lift on the front as I did the rear. I went from 18" (struts were trash. From what I've read, the front should measure 19" as well) to 24.5" on the front (again, measured from center of hub to fender lip). I'm sure it'll settle a good 1/2" after a few miles, but that would still leave me with a good 5" of lift on the front. Is that excessive? I'm wondering why I didn't end up at roughly 23" on the front too. Should I pull it apart and reset them at the .75" setting? If so, where would I end up? Measuring the rocker, front to rear, the front is only 1/2" higher, so once the front suspension settles, it will be level.

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post #2 of 15 Old 08-03-2021, 08:49 PM
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22-23" is usually the max you want to go in the front without doing more serious modifications. Past that point and you are putting a ton of stress on all of your ball joints, tie rods, CV joints etc, and they will fail prematurely. If you go over 3" of lift in the front you should seriously consider some aftermarket upper control arms and 4"+ would need some kind of front differential drop to get the right angles for your CV axles. This stuff starts to add up quickly. The reason most budget lifts are only 2-3" is because that's about the max the stock components can handle.

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post #3 of 15 Old 08-03-2021, 09:16 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks so much for your reply! I forgot to mention, I installed the Rocky Road upper control arms too. I'm just puzzled as to why I didn't end up at 22.75" on the front. 19+2+1.75 = 22.75. How the heck did I end up at 24.5?" I'm totally missing something here. If I reset the Bilstein to the .75" setting, I have no idea where the Jeep will end up sitting. I would think 19+2+.75 = 21.75 but that logic hasn't worked out so far for me. LOL. I ended up 1.75" higher than I expected. If that holds true with the strut set to the lower setting, then it would end up being just about perfect. I only have the passenger front done so far. I guess I'll do the driver's side on the lower setting and see where it ends up sitting.
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post #4 of 15 Old 08-04-2021, 03:18 AM
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Due to the front suspension design, you get a multiplying effect with a lift, that is why the lift components for front is about 1/2 that of the rear. With the lift as you have it now, without serious component changes, the inner tie-rod and front drive shafts will fail and on the rear the prop shaft angle will also be too much.

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post #5 of 15 Old 08-04-2021, 04:41 AM
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Just make sure you still have some down travel when you are done or it will ride like crap. To check this make sure the suspension compresses some under just the weight of the vehicle, or in reverse that it takes a while for the wheels to come off the ground when jacking from the frame.

I had issues with an OME med kit up front that over lifted my Jeep and rode like trash. Went back to a spacer with the factory springs on Bilstein 4600s and it rides better but I'm pushing the 23" limit and I can't get the camber back to factory settings.

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post #6 of 15 Old 08-04-2021, 09:08 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks so much for the information! It's greatly appreciated! One more question...what if I ditch the spacer in the front and just run the Bilstein at the 1.75" setting? Where should the height end up at?
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post #7 of 15 Old 08-04-2021, 01:50 PM
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Based on the geometry effect that Skala mentioned you would probably end up around 22.5". Just keep in mind that you gained that height be reducing downtravel if you keep the shock at the 1.75" setting.
Please make your own decisions and test it out as many ways as you have time/patience/money for. With that disclaimer out there, I would personally opt for the spacer with the shock set at 0". As mentioned iny previous post I have saggy factory coils and Bilstein 4600s sitting under an RRO spacer which measures about 2" and I am sitting right close to 23". I did it this way to maintain my downtravel. If you opt for the shock at 1.75" and no spacer you will be close to the same height but will have lost downtravel to achieve the lift.

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post #8 of 15 Old 08-04-2021, 05:20 PM Thread Starter
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Ahhh, understood. Thank you for that. I'll keep the spacer and drop the setting on the strut then. Thanks!!
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post #9 of 15 Old 08-05-2021, 05:35 AM
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One more disclaimer, I am one of the only members here that would recommend the spacers over spring settings. Most people don't mind or notice the loss in downtravel, but I live in Michigan and we have more potholes than we have bumps

If I could go back in time I would have just paid the money for King Coilovers from the start. For the rear I really like the OME medium springs as it helped get rid of the whale tail roll on the rear.
My thoughts are if you want to drive fast on the road, keep it low and stiff. If you want to go offroading, lift is not nearly as improtant as the flex. Take a look at ultra four "cars" or pre-runners to see what I mean. Yes you do need some lift to clear the tires, and for a practically daily driver you don't want too much body roll so there are compromises to be made.

Beat of luck, and hopefully it turns out the way you want. The good news is you have options since you have both the adjustable struts and the spacers. If you need some more fine tuning there is a company that makes a threaded conversion for the 5100 struts which will let you dial in the ride height a little better.

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post #10 of 15 Old 08-07-2021, 05:34 PM Thread Starter
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I finished up the Jeep today. With the Bilsteins set at the lowest setting, I'm at 23" in the front. I'm sure it'll settle a little bit as I put some miles on it, but it's perfect. It rides great. I need to hammer down that pinch weld a little more, but other than that, this baby is done, and I love how it turned out. Thank you all again for your help and advice!
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post #11 of 15 Old 08-07-2021, 06:17 PM
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Nice job, the Jeep looks great, looks like the noob didn't screw it up after all

Glad you like the way it rides/drives. I really like those wheels. Where did you find those?

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post #12 of 15 Old 08-07-2021, 08:46 PM
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The Jeep looks great, I'm a big fan of the red and bronze combo

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post #13 of 15 Old 08-07-2021, 10:20 PM Thread Starter
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Yeah, the wheels really set it off. I can't run spacers in PA (over 1/4" anyway), so I had to get new wheels with a different offset to fit the tires. I found them on Amazon, and they were really cheap. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I have a fifth wheel and tire that will be going on a hitch mounted tire carrier soon.
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The Amazon link isn't working for me, what brand/model are the wheels?

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They're Rocktrix RT105
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