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post #1 of 10 Old 11-26-2015, 02:26 PM Thread Starter
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ESP (electronic stability protection) observations on snow/ice

I had to run some errands today, so I took a few minutes to do some high(er) than normal snow/ice cornering in my CRD WK.
I find the Electronic Stability Protection (ESP) basically shuts down ALL throttling of the wheels when sliding around a corner, even if I have the gas pedal to the floor! I was quite shocked by this.
By partially disabling ESP (press the button once), I was able to use the throttle and the ESP only kicked in at a bare minimum.
When I fully disable ESP (stop the vehicle and press and hold the ESP button), the vehicle will go full throttle when I press the gas to the floor, but it also goes completely sideways, which was pretty fun.

So the optimium, in my opinion, is to partially disable ESP when cornering on snow/ice.

Now, I've read info on this forum that fully disabling ESP damages the transfer case clutches.

Thought I'd share my experience in case others have had a different experience/recommendation.

more info on ESP here--> http://www.wkjeeps.com/wk_esp.htm


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post #2 of 10 Old 11-26-2015, 05:32 PM
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I had to run some errands today, so I took a few minutes to do some high(er) than normal snow/ice cornering in my CRD WK.
I find the Electronic Stability Protection (ESP) basically shuts down ALL throttling of the wheels when sliding around a corner, even if I have the gas pedal to the floor! I was quite shocked by this.
By partially disabling ESP (press the button once), I was able to use the throttle and the ESP only kicked in at a bare minimum.
When I fully disable ESP (stop the vehicle and press and hold the ESP button), the vehicle will go full throttle when I press the gas to the floor, but it also goes completely sideways, which was pretty fun.

So the optimium, in my opinion, is to partially disable ESP when cornering on snow/ice.

Now, I've read info on this forum that fully disabling ESP damages the transfer case clutches.

Thought I'd share my experience in case others have had a different experience/recommendation.

more info on ESP here--> http://www.wkjeeps.com/wk_esp.htm
According to that website, you can't fully disable the ESP unless you go into 4x4 Lo (or remove the fuse).
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post #3 of 10 Old 11-27-2015, 05:54 AM
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I have done the partial disable for sand/beach driving and have not had a problem with the transfer case.

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post #4 of 10 Old 11-27-2015, 01:49 PM Thread Starter
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thanks LouC, good to know.

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post #5 of 10 Old 11-27-2015, 07:49 PM
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Not sure about partial/full disable...hit the button once and it lights up the dash symbol. Hold it down for 5 seconds and it beeps, lights up the dash symbol, and flashes esp off in the VIC.
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post #6 of 10 Old 11-28-2015, 06:34 AM
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My understanding is that if you do the full disable for off road driving when you drive faster than a certain speed it turns itself back on...thinking back I was doing the full disable..in sand you do not want any electronic nanny interfering with your driving....

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post #7 of 10 Old 11-28-2015, 11:19 AM
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i noticed the ESP pretty much neuters the truck on snow and ice but it does feel like it's next to impossible to spin. pretty good safety feature IMO (and Im amazed to what degree it works) as it's my wife who usually drives the truck in the winter. i'll have to see to what degree i can disable it for some snow flogging.

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post #8 of 10 Old 11-29-2015, 09:19 AM
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It can be fully disabled ESP by temporarily disconnecting the accelerometer under the console but you also loose ABS. I have a switch to defeat the system but to enable it again the vehicle has to be stopped and restarted.
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post #9 of 10 Old 11-29-2015, 10:11 AM
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Since I've had the WK I have used studded snow tires each winter. I have found that between the QDII system and the studded tires the traction is so good that the ESP has only engaged a few times in winter driving. I have turned it off (full) and driven in the wet with standard all terrain tires and it does not engage, again probably because the QDII system has great constant traction.

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post #10 of 10 Old 12-01-2016, 02:46 AM
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I believe there is something wrong with my WK 06 QTII after all great reviews how it should handle in winter. Driving is fun and fine but stopping is an issue.

I feel that on iced or loose surface ABS is just letting brakes go all the time and Jeep just slides, even when going slow. It's years behind Rx300 in that area. Should I turn ESP off then ? Check anything?
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