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post #16 of 51 Old 05-29-2019, 03:23 PM
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What is fuel pricing like where you live? Everywhere around here diesel is quite a bit cheaper than gas.
Good point! I am only gas in all my rigs so its been a few months since I have taken the time to look at diesel prices... They swung the other way a bit now. In my area diesel is only slightly more expensive than gas (2.92-3.59 for diesel and 3.35 to 3.49 for gas) I tried a quick google search before I mentioned it and gas prices are were all I found before I gave up after about 10 seconds.

Truck stops all are quite a bit lower than the local gas stations.

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post #17 of 51 Old 05-29-2019, 05:50 PM
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I have one of the December 2008 built CRDs and I absolutely love it. I previously had a v8 dodge and the acceleration and fuel mileage is night and day. I'm running a hot tune, dpf delete, larger intercooler, and resonator delete, and the reliability and power is outstanding. We had some days down to -40C this winter, and she started up without issue (plugged in).

The engine does cost a little more to maintain, but not much really. Oil change is more because it takes 9.5L, and I change my fuel filter every oil change as a precaution, but otherwise the the regular maintenance is the same cost.

The only thing I could see as a downside in your case is the QD2. As far as I know, the CRD only came in a QD1, with high and low range. It's still quite capable off road, but the lack of eLSDs may be something that bothers you

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I have one of the December 2008 built CRDs and I absolutely love it. I previously had a v8 dodge and the acceleration and fuel mileage is night and day. I'm running a hot tune, dpf delete, larger intercooler, and resonator delete, and the reliability and power is outstanding. We had some days down to -40C this winter, and she started up without issue (plugged in).

The engine does cost a little more to maintain, but not much really. Oil change is more because it takes 9.5L, and I change my fuel filter every oil change as a precaution, but otherwise the the regular maintenance is the same cost.

The only thing I could see as a downside in your case is the QD2. As far as I know, the CRD only came in a QD1, with high and low range. It's still quite capable off road, but the lack of eLSDs may be something that bothers you
Not true. My CRD has QD2.
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The North editions are QT2 from what I recall, that is what I have. How long does it take you to change the fuel filter? I did mine once 60,000 km ago so I need to do it again. It seemed to be a ridiculous amount of effort for a fuel filter from what I recall.

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The North editions are QT2 from what I recall, that is what I have. How long does it take you to change the fuel filter? I did mine once 60,000 km ago so I need to do it again. It seemed to be a ridiculous amount of effort for a fuel filter from what I recall.
Not the easiest diesel fuel filter I've replaced, 7.3L Powerstroke sits right on top, and definitely not the worst I've had to replace.

Mine is QD2 as well. I never would've bought a WK this late without diesel and QD2. Those were my requirements to buy a Jeep.

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post #21 of 51 Old 05-30-2019, 12:05 AM
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Did my fuel filter last weekend and it takes less time than to fill 5qts of oil into the oil filter holder.
7 bolts total. 2 clamps and 2 teensie torx that hold the sensor in.

On the original question, I would not buy my CRD again. I’d spend the money to buy a Diesel truck with 4 doors or a GM Diesel SUV with the 6.6 engine. Do a Cummins swap on it...yeah I’m dreaming 😄

While the CRD engine itself is great, all the problems you see here so frequently are consequences from shoehorning this engine into a vehicle that was not designed for it. The area around the turbo overheats causing the actuator problems. The intercooler plumbing leaks causing underboosts. God forbid your oil cooler starts to leak and you have to yank half the engine out. Alternators, power steering pumps and starters are a nightmare for people with regular sized hands.
And the list goes on.

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Not true. My CRD has QD2.
Is that common though? I thought it was a special order for the CRD

And label me mistaken, I guess mine is QT2

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I never thought of the fuel filter as difficult, it's pretty accessible compared to everything else I've owned (aside from the YJ). At least it isn't in the tank like a bleeping XJ.

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Is that common though? I thought it was a special order for the CRD

And label me mistaken, I guess mine is QT2
My Laredo and my friends Limited are both CRDs with QDII. Canadian market though so the options may have been a bit different.

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Is that common though? I thought it was a special order for the CRD...And label me mistaken, I guess mine is QT2
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...My Laredo and my friends Limited are both CRDs with QDII. Canadian market though so the options may have been a bit different.
Get your build sheet using the VIN. There are 2 main sections on mine: First is standard equipment and second section is factory-installed options. [There is actually a third section for dealer-installed options.] That will tell you definitively.

There is also a small tag by the Low Range T-handle with Quadra-Drive II logo, at least on the US market WK's.

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My CRD has QD2, and I have seen quite a few that are QD2

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My CRD has QD2, and I have seen quite a few that are QD2
Both mine and my GFs are 2007s. Both have QDII.

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My 07 CRD has QD2 too! Love it.

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On the original question, I would not buy my CRD again. Iíd spend the money to buy a Diesel truck with 4 doors or a GM Diesel SUV with the 6.6 engine. Do a Cummins swap on it...yeah Iím dreaming 😄

No they stopped making your dream truck/Suv in 2003. my wifes 03 excursion limited 4x4 7.3. King of the SUVS. on 35s 4.30 gears. injectors turbo on the fly tunes. gets 18.8 mixed diving mixed<. holds 44 gallons of fuel. 1ton axles. 4 tons of SUV. tows 10k like nothing.
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One more vote for the CRD!

At 130k miles, she's either due for maintenance or just had it but you probably won't be able to tell either way. Mine had a buttload of work done around 100k miles but ultimately I think most of it wasn't necessary, just had to work around the warranty's wording. I'd mostly be cautious of dying fuel injectors and/or the turbo acutator issue. Probably due for a transmission service as well. Read the conflictedracer blog about the CRDs, it gave me the confidence to buy mine.

My oil change price is not any more expensive than other vehicles. I found an oil I like at Walmart for $22/5qt. A $60 oil change every 6k miles doesn't seem bad to me.

Even after dealing with her in and out of the shop for the first year, I love my CRD! I wish they were putting this engine into the new Wranglers.

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post #30 of 51 Old 06-05-2019, 05:35 AM
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I love how people are obsessed with the 3.0. Guess most have never had to work on them.
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