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post #1 of 35 Old 10-20-2021, 10:18 AM Thread Starter
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True towing capacity of the 4.7HO

2004 WJ Overland with the HO V8. I've searched the forum and the net and understand the published towing capacity is 6500 pounds. But I wanted to reach out to you Jeep owners to see what the REAL towing capacity is . . . or should be to be safe and get there and home. Looking to get a camper and will pull it with my WJ.

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post #2 of 35 Old 10-20-2021, 11:43 AM
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A SWB Jeep with a 3-link rear isn't the best towing platform. I don't care what engine you have in there if you're pulling anything over about 14-15ft you're asking for trouble. Over about 10' and you should really have a weight distribution hitch (which is actually required when you're over about 3500lbs anyway).

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I agree with 007matman, the powertrain is NOT the limiting factor towing, the chassis is in our case. I spent quite a few years as a suspension and chassis designer, now that it is lifted 3" I would not tow over 3000 lbs. I used to tow my car around with a 4" lifted Suburban, 6500 lbs and even though that felt a bit sketchy it was much more stable than pulling 4000 lbs with my stock WJ.

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It is a tough question to answer. Look up my posts on towing with the WJ.

Keep it cool - Upgrade everything: https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f310...oo-hot-430453/
Brake controller if not using surge brakes: https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f13/...-limit-927330/
Set up the trailer's weight correctly: https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f13/...-limit-927330/
Be careful and understand everything is being pushed to its limit: https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f310...acity-4413031/
Consider that different things you tow of the same weight will not tow the same way: https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f13/towing-93722/
More to ponder and heed: https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f310...500-a-4345519/
Towing long distances: https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f310...drive-1686849/

Those that say "do it with a truck only" have obviously had experience towing with a truck so they have some natural bias.
I've never owned a truck, bought my first WJ to tow my boat and have been doing so since 2005. I just tow heavy boats or racecar haulers, all double axle trailers, no campers or pop-ups.
So consider what you'll be towing when you figure out what to do.

If I ever do own a truck, then tow with it, I might see what others do in the preference for using a truck but 'till then, I say read my posts and take note of how to do it safely/reliably/correctly.

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A SWB Jeep with a 3-link rear isn't the best towing platform. I don't care what engine you have in there
Yup.

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the powertrain is NOT the limiting factor towing, the chassis is.
Double yup.

I have definitely overloaded vehicles before, which has its own inherent dangers. But outside my own properties, I wouldn't tow more that what the vehicle is spec'd for. A waggle-y out of control trailer is genuinely scary stuff.

If you are going to do it anyway, then this:

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I say read my posts and take note of how to do it safely/reliably/correctly.

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post #6 of 35 Old 10-20-2021, 12:52 PM
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As said above, tow capacity isn't limited by the engine. It's the suspension, wheelbase, brakes, etc. You could probably get a 6,500 lb trailer up to highway speed behind a Mini Cooper, but it certainly wouldn't be safe.

Think about what would happen as you're blasting along in your very short WJ, towing at or above it's max rating, when you suddenly have to swerve and slam on the brakes because something totally unexpected happened in front of you. The tail wags the dog... It's one of those things that rarely happens, but when it does you'll likely be the proud owner of a large pile of rubble, if you're still alive. If you need to tow a big trailer, you need a rig that is designed to tow a big trailer. The life you save just might be your own.
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post #7 of 35 Old 10-21-2021, 03:23 AM
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In Europe a WJ is rated to tow up to 3500Kg, which works out as 7716lbs

Max permitted speed on dual carriageways is 50 in the UK
Max permitted speed on motorways is 60 in the UK.

Max permitted noseweight 75kg in the UK.
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I agree with 007matman, the powertrain is NOT the limiting factor towing, the chassis is in our case. I spent quite a few years as a suspension and chassis designer, now that it is lifted 3" I would not tow over 3000 lbs. I used to tow my car around with a 4" lifted Suburban, 6500 lbs and even though that felt a bit sketchy it was much more stable than pulling 4000 lbs with my stock WJ.
What's wrong with the chassis please cD?
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post #9 of 35 Old 10-21-2021, 01:20 PM
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reality is you have 6500 legal load, no matter what you add to it. Towing is hard on stuff too. only the strong survive.....my f250 has been dragging shy of that 10k for 200k. The wifes X is at 265,000. last real SUvs with 1 tons and a diesel on a frame.

Would be better to just buy a used 3/4-1ton truck? issue resolved and it will be a way better easier on driver holds more stuff too.

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What's wrong with the chassis please cD?
Nothing "wrong" with it in that it is bad, what I mean it is far from ideal for towing from an engineering and design view. Short wheelbase, relatively tall and somewhat narrow track for it's height. The design of it's rear suspension allows the the axle to "roll steer", it will swing slightly front to rear pivoting at the diff mount when the axle is articulated with body roll. I am kind of a sissy as well, I experienced a few too many very close calls during my snowmobiling days to mess with chances trailering, the feeling of a loaded 4 place sled trailer stepping out at 50 is one I will never forget.
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I came out of the hardware store today and there were two big four door trucks parked on either side of me. It made my little WJ look like a VW bug next to them. If a person was going to pick a towing vehicle out of this line up the WJ would be the last pick just based on size. Our little buggies are tiny compared to any four door truck.
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post #12 of 35 Old 10-21-2021, 04:12 PM
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Have you looked under your WJ? Definitely not designed for towing and I certainly wouldn't want to tow any more than one ton with it. One Riding lawn mower on a lightweight trailer is all I'm brave enough to pull with my WJ on the highway. I'll use a real truck for towing anything heavy.

Best of luck to you all if you're hauling more than 3 or 4 tons with that thing! I'm sure it COULD do it, but SHOULD you? Just remember to buckle up for safety and have your check book ready for repairs!


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Nothing "wrong" with it in that it is bad, what I mean it is far from ideal for towing from an engineering and design view. Short wheelbase, relatively tall and somewhat narrow track for it's height. The design of it's rear suspension allows the the axle to "roll steer", it will swing slightly front to rear pivoting at the diff mount when the axle is articulated with body roll. I am kind of a sissy as well, I experienced a few too many very close calls during my snowmobiling days to mess with chances trailering, the feeling of a loaded 4 place sled trailer stepping out at 50 is one I will never forget.
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post #14 of 35 Old 10-22-2021, 01:25 PM
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I once hauled a TJ on a trailer with a WJ. For 150 miles. The TJ weighed 4,200 lbs, so total weight was around 6,200 lbs.

It was a white knuckle drive. Never tried that again.
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I've pulled my 2 machine 4 wheeler trailer a few times. Handled it very well, but gas mileage sucked!!! Bout 2500 pounds.
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