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post #1 of 32 Old 07-24-2021, 01:51 AM Thread Starter
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I found some crud inside a new oil filter.

I found some crud inside a new oil filter.
Which set me thinking?

Would you or I buy a can of oil with a broken seal?
Well I wouldn't anway.

Yet I can't find anyone who sells oil filters with a seal that keeps crud out.
Worse still, even the boxes aren't sealed.

Human nature being what it is, an employee with a chip on their shoulder could easily sabotage a load of filters by smearing grinding paste inside the filter

Anyhow, does anyone know of a company thats makes oil filters with a seal over the open end please?

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post #2 of 32 Old 07-24-2021, 03:43 AM
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I found some crud inside a new oil filter.
Which set me thinking?

Would you or I buy a can of oil with a broken seal?
Well I wouldn't anway.

Yet I can't find anyone who sells oil filters with a seal that keeps crud out.
Worse still, even the boxes aren't sealed.

Human nature being what it is, an employee with a chip on their shoulder could easily sabotage a load of filters by smearing grinding paste inside the filter

Anyhow, does anyone know of a company thats makes oil filters with a seal over the open end please?
If I am understanding you correctly you could try this.
Certain Napa Gold filters, which are just rebranded Wix, come in what we call a Master Pack.
Basically what that means is that they come loose in a case, usually 12 per, not individually boxed.
I am pretty sure that even though there is no box they are individually sealed in plastic.
But not a 100% sure on that.
Now I know for a fact that the 1085 my XJ uses when in a box is not sealed in plastic.
I think we sell the 1085MP, that is the Master Pack part number, but would have to look to see if they are sealed or not.
Even if they are your local Napa might not have the Master Pack version of the filter you need.
Cause they can't buy them individually but would have to buy a case.
And if they don't get a lot of sales for that particular filter they most likely won't stock the Master Pack version.
The cheaper oil filters that Napa sells, the line code is SFI, also come in the Master Pack too.
I don't know who makes those though.
And whether they stock the filter you need in a Master Pack version or if it is sealed or not is unknown.
But it might be worth checking into.
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Define "crud"
Do you mean actual particles or what looks like water spots, which is just machine oil that is used in the manufacturing process
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If I am understanding you correctly you could try this.
Certain Napa Gold filters, which are just rebranded Wix, come in what we call a Master Pack.
Basically what that means is that they come loose in a case, usually 12 per, not individually boxed.
I am pretty sure that even though there is no box they are individually sealed in plastic.
But not a 100% sure on that.
Now I know for a fact that the 1085 my XJ uses when in a box is not sealed in plastic.
I think we sell the 1085MP, that is the Master Pack part number, but would have to look to see if they are sealed or not.
Even if they are your local Napa might not have the Master Pack version of the filter you need.
Cause they can't buy them individually but would have to buy a case.
And if they don't get a lot of sales for that particular filter they most likely won't stock the Master Pack version.
The cheaper oil filters that Napa sells, the line code is SFI, also come in the Master Pack too.
I don't know who makes those though.
And whether they stock the filter you need in a Master Pack version or if it is sealed or not is unknown.
But it might be worth checking into.
Thanks Ralph.
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Define "crud"
Do you mean actual particles or what looks like water spots, which is just machine oil that is used in the manufacturing process
Thanks Darnice, actual particles
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OCD much ?

Buy a better brand of oil filter, or always invert it and do a FOD inspection. I always buy Mopar oil filters.

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OCD much ?

Buy a better brand of oil filter, or always invert it and do a FOD inspection. I always buy Mopar oil filters.
I'm a nutter.
Now there's a thought, thanks Tim.

There must be a lot of us nutters around then for us to develop tamper proof seals (TPS) mustn't there?
On the other hand there could be a sound sane reason why tamperproof seals were developed.

Yeah, I found the crud when I ran a Foreign Object Debris inspection.
In the real world, how many people ran FOD inspections on their filters before I drew attention to the risk on this forum?
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I don't OCD about that, but I always fill the oil filter partially before installation, and you can see some of the insides for a casual visual FOD inspection.


Tamper evident seals came about after the 1982 Chicago Tylenol capsule product tampering incident that killed seven people by cyanide poisoning.

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I'm a nutter.

In the real world, how many people ran FOD inspections on their filters before I drew attention to the risk on this forum?

i look to see the gasket is there, i lube it, and i install it. now that i know about this "problem", i'll still just verify the gasket is there, and lube it. it's a filter. if something is inside it, it will get filtered!


now, i have (and will continue to) cut open a used filter, to see what it caught. (or to see if a tall can filter has a short can filter inside of it)


what exactly, is a nutter? i'm guessing you're overseas somewhere?

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I don't OCD about that, but I always fill the oil filter partially before installation, and you can see some of insides for a casual visual FOD inspection.


Tamper evident seals came about after the 1982 Chicago Tylenol capsule product tampering incident that killed seven people by cyanide poisoning.
Thanks Tim.
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i look to see the gasket is there, i lube it, and i install it. now that i know about this "problem", i'll still just verify the gasket is there, and lube it. it's a filter. if something is inside it, it will get filtered!
Negative Goldie
The in port on the filter is sort of protected by a valve held closed by a spring,
The out port is the one crud can enter through.
When your engine cranks, what got in down the female thread get's blasted along the oil lines at 70 or so psi.



now, i have (and will continue to) cut open a used filter, to see what it caught. (or to see if a tall can filter has a short can filter inside of it)


what exactly, is a nutter? i'm guessing you're overseas somewhere?
Nutter is someone who is nuts.

I reckon you are the one who's overseas somewhere
I'm in Merry Old England.

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Nutter is someone who is nuts.

I reckon you are the one who's overseas somewhere
I'm in Merry Old England.
Oh, Bloody El! LOL I'd be chuffed too if my engine would be nackered by that filter.
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I’m from Canada and even I guessed what he meant by “nutter”… lol
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Oh, Bloody El! LOL I'd be chuffed too if my engine would be nackered by that filter.
Thanks Darnice.
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I’m from Canada and even I guessed what he meant by “nutter”… lol
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