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post #1 of 53 Old 09-30-2015, 11:28 PM Thread Starter
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WK2+QD2+QLift add mud=wtf???

okay I've had 2 WJ Overland Grand Cherokees and by no means am an off-road expert. But I know how to rock a car/truck/etc and get out of snow and mud. I upgraded and bought this wk2 and made sure to get a vehicle that had the Quadra Drive on it because I wanted the limited slip...Afterall, no one ever really uses the gc to its limit but JUST IN CASE, I wanted the best offroad package available. That way once shes all pimped out w/afmkt cosmetic dohickys, rims, k&n cai; etc i wont have to replace her because I didnt get the "best" offroad options. Afterall, these things get stuck from a lack of upgrades, not because of driver error right?

Anyway, 1st fail...was sitting in my brothers flat yard after a HEAVY rain (like step on wet grass and h20 halfway up my nikes). Go to pull out slowly (to save my bros yard) all four tires spinning and I'm not moving? Thinking must be stock tires or some hidden traction control??? Tail between legs as I get pulled out by a utv with a MOTORCYCLE STRAP!!!

2nd fail...spent alot of time and $ getn BFG AT KO tires and some sweet dropstars to ride on. Crossing a "creek" 2ft wide, 2ft deep...ql in offroad 2 and nothing touching the ground....passenger rear wheel only thing left in the creek/rut and im stuck!!! Tried putting it in snow/mud setting, snow setting, turning off esc (sport mode); then even tried 4 wheel low....nothing! So, get pulled out by my brother in his chevy pickup.

3rd fail...same spot, same creek,18 hours later in daylight. After reading how the elsd works i go back in crawling slow trying to "feel" if everythings working...1st wheel that drops into the rut stops me flat. At this point im still not touching the ground or high centered and only ONE WHEEL is stuck. And then after spending 5 minutes spinning and waiting for it to act like my wj overland (aka grind in the rear then walk me out) i get pissed and try to "rock" it out. 10 minutes later front air dam laying on mud in front of me, both front tires are in 3ft graves, rears have barely sunk down (by comparison) and im getting towed out by my brother....again.

WTF am I doing wrong? Pics to follow when i get to my pc.

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post #2 of 53 Old 09-30-2015, 11:38 PM Thread Starter
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And to save time...i KNOW i could hop right over it going faster! The point was to go slower and feel the 4x4 Quadradriveliftselecrap do its thing...which is apparently nothing? For the record I have a 2012 Overland Summit with 5.7L hemi, qd2, and qlift....and I had just crossed the same creek/rut farther up in the last photo...by my bros truck...where there is very little mud. And I didnt bottom out there either in offr2 setting.

PS: Where can I buy that 2fr wide black plastic piece that attaches lower air dam to the bumper (i guess)? My airdam looks fine after being wripped off by the creek...along with my pride and my jeeps reputation (i hate facebook-and my brother). Before I was even out...everyone knew.
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post #3 of 53 Old 09-30-2015, 11:45 PM Thread Starter
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And I do not currently piss excellence...
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post #4 of 53 Old 09-30-2015, 11:52 PM
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You need some real tires
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post #5 of 53 Old 09-30-2015, 11:58 PM Thread Starter
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only tires that make block white letters for my size...block white letters are OG Pimp...stuck in the mud
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post #6 of 53 Old 10-01-2015, 12:08 AM
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only tires that make block white letters for my size...block white letters are OG Pimp...stuck in the mud
You can buy letters that can be applied to tires
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post #7 of 53 Old 10-01-2015, 03:04 AM
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It appears the system is functioning correctly, all tires spinning, if they can't get traction you aren't going anywhere plain and simple. The only thing that "might" have helped in the above pictures is some very aggressive MT tires, otherwise it looks like a lot of other vehicles would be stuck too.

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post #8 of 53 Old 10-01-2015, 06:55 AM
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your tires are not for mud at all. sometimes mud requires a little momentum

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post #9 of 53 Old 10-01-2015, 07:55 AM
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KOs are not that great in mud as mud doesn't get extracted from the tread well. The WK2 tires are also a bit wide for mud (there is a lot of mud to push out of the way). What kind of tires were you running on the WJ? Even if not high centered, if you were dug in a bit it takes a surprising amount of power/traction to push through the mud.

I know you were playing, but once you stop dead in mud its tuff, even with narrow MT tires. So don't play like that . Use mud mode (which locks the rear dif) and maintain momentum.

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post #10 of 53 Old 10-01-2015, 08:16 AM
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You need more stickers. Without a trail rated badge it's just not going to happen.

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post #11 of 53 Old 10-01-2015, 08:19 AM
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Also, don't discount that the WK2 is heavy. I don't have stats for how it compares to a WJ but when you drop the front tires into the mud like that the weight doesn't help you - it just makes sure you dig in harder. I'd agree with the other comments here that this isn't a 'fair' test of the 4wd system. Lafayette is a little South for this, but another 'setup to fail' test would be all four wheels on glare ice. They're all going to spin, you'll be 'stuck', but the vehicle is doing everything it can to help you.

But don't feel bad. Back in the day I dropped my new-to-me F250 into a mud hole on the first day I bought it and couldn't get it out ;-( Had to get tugged out by a lowrider!
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I should of taken before pics of the creek, there was no holes then. I just thought it funny how much more the front dug in than the rear. And my WJ has the exact same tires. I don't like change I guess. Ya, well anyway, I'm down two towouts for my brother. So, I have to show up at 200am when he's been drinking and stuck in the river with his utv.


+1 on the stickers...I thought that was the problem.

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Those are nice vehicles... I suspect the WJ's tires are narrower. I am always surprised just how much effect the WK2 tire width on slippery snow/mud surfaces has over my WJ.

Your WJ had QD limited slip both front and rear right? Jeep says the front doesn't make much difference, but I think it does in situations like this. Perhaps the front axle BTC dug into the soft mud more than a locked diff would... but then I'm just guessing.

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