V6 Off-road OK? Pulling a trailer? Premium fuel? - JeepForum.com
 5Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 29 Old 09-01-2020, 07:46 AM Thread Starter
oilverland
Registered User
2020 WK 
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Okanogan County
Posts: 272
V6 Off-road OK? Pulling a trailer? Premium fuel?

I'm thinking about getting a used Trailhawk (2017 reissue or later) and wondering if the V6 is sufficient for off-road? In my case I mean for use on poorly maintained forest service roads, which can be sandy or have protruding rocks, and ruts from erosion. I am NOT talking about rock climbing, slick rock, or water more deep than about 9". I'm fine if I have to engage low range, there's no hurry!

If I tow anything it would either be an RV that maxes at about 3000 lbs., for longer trips; or horse and trailer at about 5000 lbs. for very short trips with possibility of about 250 miles with a 5500' pass.

Yes there is a fuel mileage and weight penalty with the V8. Possibly offsetting that are that I am retired (no commute to work), live in a rural area (no stop and go) and COVID has taught me to minimize trips to the food store, post office, and the like.

Does the V6 require premium fuel? The V8?

BTW right now I have a spunky BMW X3 three liter turbo and it climbs the aforementioned roads powerfully but gingerly. I recently broke two mudflaps and a jacking point and I figure that's enough of that. My prior rig was a 2008 Overland CRD which I should have kept but then I'd still be liking the Trailhawk. I don't want the VM Motori diesel in the WK2, too many cases of them self-destructing, which I saw reported only once in this forum for the Mercedes Diesel in the 2007-08.


2020 Trailhawk V8 lighting group and techno group
oilverland is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 29 Old 09-01-2020, 07:55 AM
Fast55
Registered User
 
Fast55's Avatar
2017 WK 
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Ventura County USA
Posts: 679
Garage
The V6 is plenty, but the V8 is a lot more fun. Either can use regular, but 89 octane mid grade is recommend for the Hemi. Pulling 5,000 pounds up a big hill is where you'll appreciate the extra HP, but especially the torque. If towing much is your plan, the Hemi is the obvious choice. Otherwise, the difference in mileage is noticeable. If you liked the diesel, the Hemi is a no-brainer. I would say you need to drive both. Some folks with a broken torque butt-meter say they don't see a big difference.

2017 Trailhawk
Active Safety, Luxury group, Blind spot detection
Hemi
Rock Rails, Chief Products
Fast55 is offline  
post #3 of 29 Old 09-01-2020, 08:10 AM
ColdCase
My Reality Check Bounced
 
ColdCase's Avatar
2011 WK 
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: New England
Posts: 17,677
Good advice, drive them both. Sufficient is a little subjective but the V6 is more than adequate off road. Many here have tons of fun with them, most by far are V6s. Its not a diesel, neither is the V8 for that mater. Both need some rpm. Towing and the fun meter is where the V8 is superior, although the V6 is adequate. Passing slower traffic on up hills is challenging with 5000 pounds. 3000 pounds is probably OK.

Be aware that the WK2, like most FCA vehicles, has a low payload rating in comparison to tow rating, even lower with the TrailHawk skid plates, about 1000 pounds. Doesn't take much to overload. The V8s can have a higher payload rating, the limited V8s seem to have the highest rating printed on the door sticker.

So if you are worried about payload, the V8 may give you a hundred pounds more margin in some of the trims and model years.

The best part may be that the V8 won't have ESS.
diverscale likes this.

I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory;
Current: 2011 Grand Cherokee Overland V8, 2009 Liberty Rocky Mt V6
Previous: 2000 Grand Cherokee Laredo I6, 1979 CJ7 I6 Quadratrac
ColdCase is offline  
 
post #4 of 29 Old 09-01-2020, 12:21 PM
Bilko
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 546
If are driving normally without much stop and go, the gas mileage difference between the V6 and basic V8 5.7 hemi is only a 1 or 2 miles per gallon. If you are blasting around town in a V8 there is a much bigger difference. Based on your towing requirements I would be seriously tempted to go down the V8 route.
wildbill23c likes this.
Bilko is offline  
post #5 of 29 Old 09-01-2020, 03:13 PM
2014RedHemiGC
Registered User
 
2014RedHemiGC's Avatar
2014 WK 
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Mount Airy, NC
Posts: 627
Definitely drive them both, especially if you’re used to an X3 and also see if you like the intrusive Stop/Start on the V6.

2014 Deep Cherry Red GC 4X4 V8 QDII
2012 Crystal Red Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
2011 Crystal Red Chevy Corvette Z06/Z07
2014RedHemiGC is offline  
post #6 of 29 Old 09-01-2020, 03:35 PM
Chuckmiller
Registered User
2018  
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 178
You tow, you drive in hills: diesel. Or the V8 and baby the throttle all you can until you need it.
Chuckmiller is offline  
post #7 of 29 Old 09-01-2020, 03:50 PM
oldmac1
Registered User
2018 WK 
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Western Pa
Posts: 429
I love my V6 2018 year and it is tremendous engine. It is not however great towing my 3k boat up hills and I crawl in the slow lane on the steeper ones. My Hemi's allowed me to pass going uphill without any strain. I tow the boat twice a year up these hill and miss my Hemi's when I do. Other than that I prefer my V6. Mileage is comparable on a trip but the V6 is about 3mpg better than my Hemi's in town. ESS is a pain but I have to use it as I have extended warranty on this one and do not want the dealer to cancel it. Best of luck to you on your choice.

Oldmac1
18 High Altitude
12 Liberty
15 Rubicon Unlimited
oldmac1 is offline  
post #8 of 29 Old 09-01-2020, 07:23 PM Thread Starter
oilverland
Registered User
2020 WK 
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Okanogan County
Posts: 272
"ESS" is the engine stop/start feature I take it? I'm not too annoyed by them but it is nice to have a feature to disable it, as it does little good where I live given our general paucity of traffic. So there is no button to disable it? (BMW provides one. It will reactivate itself after some number of stops it seems. I just press the button again.)

Thanks for all the replies! I am reminded of what a friendly forum this is.

2020 Trailhawk V8 lighting group and techno group
oilverland is offline  
post #9 of 29 Old 09-01-2020, 08:49 PM
ColdCase
My Reality Check Bounced
 
ColdCase's Avatar
2011 WK 
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: New England
Posts: 17,677
ESS defaults to on every time you restart the engine. There is a button to push to disable, which becomes muscle memory to some. There is a pretty long thread with other tips that make it easier to live with.

I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory;
Current: 2011 Grand Cherokee Overland V8, 2009 Liberty Rocky Mt V6
Previous: 2000 Grand Cherokee Laredo I6, 1979 CJ7 I6 Quadratrac
ColdCase is offline  
post #10 of 29 Old 09-02-2020, 05:39 PM
rjlindblom
Registered User
 
rjlindblom's Avatar
2018 WK 
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Rapid City
Posts: 79
Garage
I have a 2018 V6. It pulls a small trailer well. It also does off road fairly well. There is darn near 300 horses under the hood. If you’re in sport mode or selected some of the terrain modes the ESS will shut off.

However, the default to normal if you shut the engine off. The trail I was on last week, was easily handled. Even had it in low range for a while. I was impressed with how it performed.

Ryan
2018 WK2, Limited. Purchased 12-27-2019
2016 Compass. Traded 12-27-2019
KE0LXT
rjlindblom is offline  
post #11 of 29 Old 09-02-2020, 05:51 PM
wildbill23c
Registered User
1998 ZJ 
 
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 558
If I were buying something that new I'd go with the V8 for sure, better to have more power and not need it than wish you had it...and when it comes to towing the more power you have the less work your engine has to do, it'll live longer that way...just remember its not a family sedan daily driver gas sipper, it'll use fuel when you are working it.
wildbill23c is offline  
post #12 of 29 Old 09-02-2020, 07:32 PM
2008OverlandCRD
Registered User
2017 WK 
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Bellingham, WA
Posts: 520
Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmac1 View Post
ESS is a pain but I have to use it as I have extended warranty on this one and do not want the dealer to cancel it.
WHAT?????

2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit 4x4, 5.7 Hemi & 2017 SRT 6.4L & 2020 Trackhawk 6.2L Supercharged
2008OverlandCRD is offline  
post #13 of 29 Old 09-03-2020, 10:06 AM
jjmagoo
Registered User
2014 WK 
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 187
I've got a 2014 GC Limited with the 3.6 V6. Drove it across the county (chicago to san francisco) hauling our vintage camper/trailer (which is basically an 1,800 pound box on wheels... no aero at all) and did just fine even on the big hills over the Rockies. I have the paddle shifters and while I usually disregard them, they're awesome for towing since you can shift as needed then.

Outside of towing the V6 gets great mileage and is a super comfortable and capable engine. We go camping, hiking, backcountry exploring and have had no problems ever with power.

That said I've also never owned a Hemi so can't speak to how much easier/better that would be....

2014 GC Limited (Duchess)
1997 TJ Sahara (Bailey) - SOLD
jjmagoo is offline  
post #14 of 29 Old 09-03-2020, 04:34 PM
dtrkyman
Registered User
2013 WK 
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Santa Fe
Posts: 397
I have a bunch of off road miles on a 13 v6, no issue at all off road, very capable as well, in Rocky Mountain roads it will get where you need to go, if you push it you will likely damage the body or plastic front before getting stuck!

Upgrade the tires, though I never did get a flat in the rocks with the junk street tires that came with it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
dtrkyman is offline  
post #15 of 29 Old 09-04-2020, 06:03 AM
BubbaATL
Registered User
2018 WK 
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 78
Not what you asked, but ... go for 2018 or later for Android Auto/Carplay compatibility. It's really nice -- AA just keeps getting better and better, and will continue to evolve. Navigating with Google Maps on the big screen is a joy.
WK2Overland4X4 likes this.

2018 Limited 3.6L with pretty much everything ("almost a Trailhawk")
BubbaATL is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the JeepForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid e-mail address for yourself.



Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome