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post #1 of 15 Old 01-06-2019, 07:30 PM Thread Starter
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Starter R&R, Really?

Newbie here but not really to forums and procedures, Hello everyone...

I have owned a few Grand Cherokees in the past and picked up a nice, very well kept 2011 with the 3.6L engine. I noticed the starter dragging, not disengaging recently when it is colder. No problem just change it out, did so several times with my 2008 and fixed the wire lead which stranded me once.

6 hours? What insane engineer came up with this concept? I crawled around to have a look and Yes Sir, try to find the starter is the name of the game. OK I am rather resourceful and know better but I have not found much information or direction of cutting corners to drop that sucker out.

Maybe I missed an article on How To, any information would be appreciated.

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post #2 of 15 Old 01-06-2019, 09:58 PM
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If its the larger starter, you will have to remove the motor mount to get it out.

Removing the V6 motor mount by the book involves supporting and raising the engine, removing the front diff and axle, moving and removing other bits and pieces that may be in the way. To lift the motor enough you need to remove the intake manifold.

6 hours seems about right
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From what I found you have echoed the information and it looks like fun....well. I did order the drivers side engine mount today since I will be removing it, the starter is already here. I did the head swap and we were right almost in-line to remove the starter but hindsight is what it is.

Really surprised not much information is around on the subject of removing the starter
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I don't think it has a high enough failure rate.

I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory;
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I just could not wrap my brain around 6 hours for a simple starter change out, hard pill to swallow on that one. A big pill at that.

See if I can upload a picture since I'm a newbie in these parts, well that was a quick No..... 25 the magic number?
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Please post your progress and any tips
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Today is the day, got the engine brace on and scratching our noodles to see if we can get to it. Working on the motor mount right now to get that out of the way. Almost like playing the game Where's Waldo to find the starter.

This 2011 is really clean for a Northern vehicle, under coated it with Fluid Film the other day and noticed the oil pan had chips in the coating that are starting to rust. Next project will be to replace the steel pan before it gets through the metal. Only 1,000 miles away to the next oil change.
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Finished in 4 hours and was not as bad but ridiculous just for a starter.

Pulled off the engine cover
Installed the engine bay lift
Unbolted the engine mount on the drivers side
Raised the engine until the intake manifold almost made contact with the firewall
Loosened 2 bolts on the drivers side engine cradle to clear the engine mount
Unbolted the starter with hand tools, not enough room for ratchets or air tools

Takes time and few choice words but doable.
I did use a 2 post lift to stage the vehicle.
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Well, haven't figured out how to drag and drop to upload but i did get this to go.




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Engine lift bracket and drivers side motor mount, once you get past the mount, starter is next to come out.




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You were able to remove the motor mount without removing the intake manifold? If so that will help out a lot of people when they want to change their engine mounts. What do you mean by engine cradle? I changed the mounts but couldn't figure out how to remove it without taking off the intake manifold.
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Pulled the air cleaner assembly so you could access the front of the engine eye to lift. Unhooked the battery + cable and installed the lift bracket. Loosened the engine mount, jacked the engine up until it almost kissed the firewall, went underneath and loosened the engine cradle, bolts on drivers side, just enough to clear the engine mount.

Never removed the intake....
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One other, I did remove the front valance panel or what ever you call it now from the bottom of the front bumper so we could see what was going on. It isn't fast and whole bunch of bull to replace a starter, I would like to take the engineer out to lunch who thought of this idea.....
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There is a lifting eye at the engine front near the oil filter. The FSM suggests removing the intake manifold, and a bunch of other things, I assumed because there wasn't enough clearance between the manifold and firewall. But, if one thinks outside the box (or like most of us, doesn't read the instructions), and both drop the suspension cradle a bit and lift the engine a bit that may also work. By doing one mount at a time, the engine may rock to the side to also provide some additional clearance.

I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory;
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Correct on the front lifting eye and sorry I didn't get more pictures as we went along, I would never make a good Youtuber with a play by play video. Thing is you really cannot see anything from underneath but on the 2 post lift you can dig back into where you need to go by working over the front axle. Hope this helps someone out or gives them direction. If not pull the intake.


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