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post #1 of 15 Old 08-09-2020, 05:00 PM Thread Starter
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Need advice with new purchase

I plan on purchasing a used 2018/2019 limited within the next few weeks but I’m going back in forth between the 3.6 and the 5.7.
The 3.6 fits in my budget perfectly. I can get one used with low miles in my area for 30-32k.
However, I have a razor that I need to tow. The razor and the trailer are only about 2200# together, but sometimes I take a lot of gear camping. Plus Utah has a ton of mountains.

Anyone have experience towing a razor on a flatbed with their GC?
Will it be worth it to save some more and get the 5.7?

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post #2 of 15 Old 08-09-2020, 06:55 PM
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I tow my boat a couple of times a year up and down the hills where I live. My experience with both Hemi's and the v6's are as follows. First, you will be favoring a V6 built after 2016 engine changes. However if I was to tow my boat more frequently I would go back to the Hemi in a hurry.
With my current V6(2018) i can do fine but cannot pass up these hills. My Hemi's felt like I was not towing anything and could pass anytime I wanted to up any of these hills. I am pulling close to 3k and V6 is a wonderful engine, it is not a tow engine like the Hemi in my view. If you have lots of mountains I would recommend the Hemi. Love my V6 except towing uphill. Good luck with your choice.

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post #3 of 15 Old 08-09-2020, 09:45 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for your reply. That’s pretty much what I was thinking
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post #4 of 15 Old 08-09-2020, 09:54 PM
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Yeah, oldmac1 provides good advice. If you drive in high altitudes, there is even less power available. I hear there are long stretches of up hill highway in the rockies that will tax ½ ton trucks, let alone a V6 in a WK2. But you can drive slower and watch the temperatures and make do, or take the long way around.

I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory;
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I want to chime in. I just came off a 1100 mile road trip, and the last day, PA RT 30 from Gettysburg to Greensburg had a TON of steep hills. This 2012 is my 4th Hemi, but first with this transmission. I have also had
2006 Charger 5.7 A5 (different than the JGC transmission)
2015 Charger 5.7 A8 (would totally crush the 2006 5.7)
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On several of the hills even with a 6sp, that Jeep really needed some in-between gears and I imagine even a 3.6 with the A8 would have been more at home at times. It was never low on power, but at times the hunting for gear got annoying, and I frequently found my self using the range limiter to hold it in 3rd or 4th.
We had the rear basically full of luggage plus 4 adults, all of us are not exactly small people.
So, basically, how well does the A8 with 3.6 compare to older NAGs with 5.7?
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My v6 tows great at 3500 lbs. did fine on long hills and never felt like I needed more power.

Never driven in the mountains so can’t comment on that.


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post #7 of 15 Old 08-10-2020, 01:24 PM
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I want to chime in. I just came off a 1100 mile road trip, and the last day, PA RT 30 from Gettysburg to Greensburg had a TON of steep hills. This 2012 is my 4th Hemi, but first with this transmission. I have also had
2006 Charger 5.7 A5 (different than the JGC transmission)
2015 Charger 5.7 A8 (would totally crush the 2006 5.7)
2018 Challenger 6.4 A8 (and again, the 2015 5.7!)
On several of the hills even with a 6sp, that Jeep really needed some in-between gears and I imagine even a 3.6 with the A8 would have been more at home at times. It was never low on power, but at times the hunting for gear got annoying, and I frequently found my self using the range limiter to hold it in 3rd or 4th.
We had the rear basically full of luggage plus 4 adults, all of us are not exactly small people.
So, basically, how well does the A8 with 3.6 compare to older NAGs with 5.7?
Not sure what you mean by an A8, that's an Audi model isn't it? The NAG was never mated up with a WK2 5.7 except in the SRT trim, which is a 6.4 I think anyway. The NAG performs poorly towing as its always churning and making heat.

Most folks like towing with the 5/6 speed behind a V8 better than a 8 speed as it shifts less. The 8 speed has narrower gears spacing and lower gearing but seems to be always hunting for a gear. So you end up manually holding in a gear anyway. Its part of towing a trailer or hauling heavy. I have the 5 speed in the WK2 and the 8 speed in the 1500, and 5 speed seems better towing, where the 8 speed is more fun driving, more sporty, and kicks down faster.

Behind the V6, the 8 speed is a godsend as that NAG was less than optimal. Starting in 2014 all WK2s had an 8 speed transmission.

East coast hills are not close to the challenge of out west.

I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory;
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post #8 of 15 Old 08-10-2020, 01:34 PM
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I plan on purchasing a used 2018/2019 limited within the next few weeks but I’m going back in forth between the 3.6 and the 5.7.
The 3.6 fits in my budget perfectly. I can get one used with low miles in my area for 30-32k.
However, I have a razor that I need to tow. The razor and the trailer are only about 2200# together, but sometimes I take a lot of gear camping. Plus Utah has a ton of mountains.

Anyone have experience towing a razor on a flatbed with their GC?
Will it be worth it to save some more and get the 5.7?
When you refer to towing your Razor in Utah, are you referring to surfaced roads or dirt tracks / off-road? If you plan to leave the tarmac I would be tempted to opt for the V8. I know they are heavier but the difference would not be significant considering the loaded weight of your rig.
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post #9 of 15 Old 08-10-2020, 01:42 PM
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Not sure what you mean by an A8...
Sorry, common nomenclature on the Challenger forums...
A8 = 8 speed auto vs M6 for the 6 speed manual.
And yeah, whateverthehellthenameis for the 5/6 speed in Jeeps/Trucks (RFE) vs the 5 speed auto in the Chargers (NAG)
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East coast hills are not close to the challenge of out west.
I have been on both, all around, Appalachians are the worst.
Out west, sure much larger in scale, but not the common steep grades up and down with hairpin turns chucked in every ¼ mile all on a 2 lane designed in 1915 (or older) for Model Ts or horse and buggy. RT 30 makes pikes peak look like a trip to the mall.
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post #12 of 15 Old 08-10-2020, 04:58 PM
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I was thinking more about high altitudes which zap power, and what seems like 30 miles of constant 5% up hill grades.... . East coast can also a challenge, but usually limited to certain areas, not as widespread. .

I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory;
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post #13 of 15 Old 08-11-2020, 09:33 PM
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Have a 2018 JKU Sahara 4dr, 3.6 Auto. I pulled a 20 ft travel trailer (3000 lbs)about 300 miles one way and back with myself and 4 passengers we were at 900 lbs in the rig. Jeep could pull fine but hated the hills and the whole trip was at 60 mph with rpms at 3000. I can tell you I wished I had another gear, it has 3.21 in front 30 and rear 44; may change to 4.10 in rear to see if it helps. Temp and tranny temp ran well, never overheated but I sure was nervous.
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post #14 of 15 Old 08-17-2020, 06:34 PM
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I am in the edge of the west. I pulled my flatbed on a 500 mile round trip a couple months ago. The V6 handled the trailer and cargo with no issue. I am pleasantly surprised at the V6. I have a 2018 Limited.

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post #15 of 15 Old 08-18-2020, 06:54 PM
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There is a basic truth when towing a trailer in hilly to mountainous country: there's no replacement for displacement.

That can be the difference between getting you there, and getting you there easily.

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