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post #1 of 270 Old 04-16-2016, 07:50 AM Thread Starter
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Thumbs down Disable Start/Stop or ESS

How in the world do you disable this incredibly annoying feature? FCA must have hired idiot programmers with no common sense to program this. Why not have a programmable delay? 5, 30, 60 seconds???

We do not live in the city or drive in stop and go traffic. But this stupid feature makes me want to return a $50K vehicle to the dealer.

Every single time you come to a stop, even if only for a second, the damn thing shuts off. This includes pulling into the garage to park. MANY times when we pull in, the ESS is activated as we are putting the vehicle in park. This fires the starter with the engine still running. This has occurred a half dozen times in less than 500 miles.

So my other question is, when the starter fails (not if) is it covered under the powertrain warranty? I mean it should be because if it fails the powertrain cannot function.

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post #2 of 270 Old 04-16-2016, 09:56 AM
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I will make a prediction that FCA will add some type of delay or do away with it all together.

I was behind someone at a fast food restaurant and it must of stopped and started 15 times.

Very annoying.
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Should be a button on the dash that has an A with a circle around it that says off.
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I hate to break this to everyone but, it is required by law starting on all 2018 vehicles in the USA and there will be no way to disable it.

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I hate to break this to everyone but, it is required by law starting on all 2018 vehicles in the USA and there will be no way to disable it.
Could you let us know the source for this? Looked around and all I could find is that "Beginning in 2018 all Buicks will have this feature". Couldn't find anything that said it was mandated by law on all vehicles.

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So my other question is, when the starter fails (not if) is it covered under the powertrain warranty? I mean it should be because if it fails the powertrain cannot function.
You spent $50K and you are worried. So, spend another $1-2000 to protect it with MaxCare warranty and sleep better at night.
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Could you let us know the source for this? Looked around and all I could find is that "Beginning in 2018 all Buicks will have this feature". Couldn't find anything that said it was mandated by law on all vehicles.
I may have the wrong year. I read it in a magazine while attending training. I will look for it when I have some spare time.

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I hate to break this to everyone but, it is required by law starting on all 2018 vehicles in the USA and there will be no way to disable it.
Never heard or seen anthing like that... GM can't build a car where the old-fashioned key is safe.

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You spent $50K and you are worried. So, spend another $1-2000 to protect it with MaxCare warranty and sleep better at night.
What are you smokin'? Try $3000+

And to your point.... I already spent $50,000 - I'm not spending another dime. Those warrantys are a total waste of money.

This is purely a software issue... it would be fine if they would program a reasonable delay. Regardless, they need to allow the owner to disable it if desired (and having to do it everytime you start up is not acceptable).
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Sorry in 2018 back up cameras are required. And EPA is changing how the fuel economy credits work for start stop. Guess I mashed the two together in my head.

So if you get rid of the jeep what would you replace it with? A good number of SUVs in that price range have start stop.

I think your dealer is taking you for a ride on the warranty. I paid $2465 for lifetime max care.

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What are you smokin'? Try $3000+

Those warrantys are a total waste of money.
There are at lest two discount dealers that sell lifetime maxicare $100 deductible for about $2400, other 7 or 8 year plans are less than $2000, some close to $1000. Your local dealer may price match.

With the expense of repairing todays fancy gadgets, a factory warranty plan begins to make some economic sense. It may make less sense for a base Laredo.

These cars are designed for start stop multiple times, using different starters and more robust batteries. My daughter's prius has doing this for decades without adverse effects. It may be annoying to those that enjoy instant gratification, but it does save fuel and reduce global warming, if that matters.
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C'mon, global warming doesn't exist. Don't be a lemming.
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Is there not a way to disable it? Every other car made with Start/Stop has a button to disable it. Leave it to Jeep to forget such an obvious feature...
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Is there not a way to disable it? Every other car made with Start/Stop has a button to disable it. Leave it to Jeep to forget such an obvious feature...
According to the owner's manual for a 2016 JGC there is a stop/start disable button immediately to the left of the ECO off button.

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post #14 of 270 Old 04-26-2016, 04:20 PM
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C'mon, global warming doesn't exist. Don't be a lemming.
ugh to ignorance.

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According to the owner's manual for a 2016 JGC there is a stop/start disable button immediately to the left of the ECO off button.
ugh to reading comprehension or using Google unless the OP just wanted to b*tch about it.

search ESS disable Grand Cherokee - 5 seconds.
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http://www.wk2jeeps.com/wk2_2016_pre..._Pentastar.htm

The new VVT system also increases its range of authority to 70 degrees, from 50 degrees. This helps mitigate knock during hot starts and expands the operating envelope of Engine Stop Start (ESS), a fuel-saving feature that is carried over from the previous-generation 3.6-liter Pentastar.

ESS is driven by a high-speed/high-durability starter that reduces crank time for quicker restarts.

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post #15 of 270 Old 04-27-2016, 07:48 AM
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It is obviously not the OP's fault he did not know there was a button he could push to disable stop/start. It is obviously FCA's fault for not explaining this feature was available ... as a button ... right next to all the other buttons you push on a daily basis ... right in front of your face. Makes you wonder why they don't provide some sort of instruction manual so we could look all this stuff up. They could call it an "Instruction Manual for Owners of Jeep Vehicles". Or, maybe shorten it to "Owner's Manual".

Makes you wonder.

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