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post #1 of 25 Old 09-12-2021, 06:16 PM Thread Starter
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2nd time off road (less than 500 miles on new Wk2)

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I am from VA and this is my 2nd time off road in my 100% stock Limited. I noticed the engine temp was a tick over where it normal was when i was on the trail - is this normal ? I don't have the towing package so no HD cooling (hopefully that can be retrofitted). I also need a front lower guard - haven't decieded which one to go with but leaning towards six monkeys - no idea on what the install is like - but i hope its a true bolt on with no modification needed to the recovery mounts.

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Anyone who says these things aren't capable or real Jeeps is talking out of the wrong hole - so far as i am concerned anyway.
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More pictures from my trip today
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HD cooling is not something that can be retrofitted. These are designed to run warm.

I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory;
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HD cooling is not something that can be retrofitted. These are designed to run warm.
Would a lower temp thermostat trigger a CEL ? Did that in my old '19 F150 and it triggered a coolant temp code - had to get a tune to get rid of it.
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V6 or V8? Don't stress over the temps, your vehicle will run hotter in slow-speed high-demand circumstances but this is well within the design limits of the Vehicle.

Fitting HD cooling is expensive and of questionable benefit.

If you are looking at underbody protection check out these guys, I often recommend these products on this forum but I am not sponsored It's just they make great gear, you have to physically touch and feel their products and then you will understand.

https://usa.chiefproducts.com.au/pro...otection-plate
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Would a lower temp thermostat trigger a CEL ? Did that in my old '19 F150 and it triggered a coolant temp code - had to get a tune to get rid of it.
Probably, the ECU is expecting a certain coolant temperature by a certain warm up time. When its not happy it turns on the CEL.

I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory;
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Where is this, it looks like a great place? In NorCal there are not many places like this, you have to hike, bike or horseback ride if you want to do this without ending up in jail.
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V6 or V8? Don't stress over the temps, your vehicle will run hotter in slow-speed high-demand circumstances but this is well within the design limits of the Vehicle.

Fitting HD cooling is expensive and of questionable benefit.

If you are looking at underbody protection check out these guys, I often recommend these products on this forum but I am not sponsored It's just they make great gear, you have to physically touch and feel their products and then you will understand.

https://usa.chiefproducts.com.au/pro...otection-plate
I would love to - but not sure if they are in stock - says september 03 for restock but listed as a pre order still . It is the V6.

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Probably, the ECU is expecting a certain coolant temperature by a certain warm up time. When its not happy it turns on the CEL.
Yeah that was the case for the F150.

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Where is this, it looks like a great place? In NorCal there are not many places like this, you have to hike, bike or horseback ride if you want to do this without ending up in jail.
This was at peters mill run (VA) https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/v...eters-mill-run

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HD cooling is not something that can be retrofitted. These are designed to run warm.
Well i'll not mind it then.
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The thermostat doesn't even open until 203 degrees.

You can put a colder thermostat, but it will never run cooler than 185 degrees. And the the fan speeds will have to be adjusted to take advantage of the cooler thermostat. AND then you will get a Diagnostic Trouble Code P0128 for coolant temperature below regulating temperature. And the only way to disable that code is to replace the Power Control module (PCM) with an unlocked version...

... just sayin. lol

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Looks like you had a blast.

Thanks for sharing pictures.

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I'll second the Chief Products stuff. I am not a sponsor, but I AM a very happy customer. Just installed the Hidden Winch Mount over the weekend. Already had their lower front guard, sump plate, recovery points, and roof rack. Everything but the winch mount has been truly bolt on. But, I believe those issues were mainly due to me having a 2012 (pre-facelift) and trying to shoehorn a larger winch behind there. What you are looking for may not be in stock right now, but in my experience, the production and shipping schedules listed on their site are pretty reliable, if you can wait. The other response mentioning having to hold and touch their stuff to get the true sense of the quality is spot on. Even the packaging and the hardware that comes with all their equipment is extremely robust and well done. Luckily the UPS driver who has my route is a buddy of mine, lol. That stuff isn't light.

Here is a quick shot that shows some of the stuff from earlier today after I finally got the winch installed. Apologies for the blurry photo, I think my phone lens had grease on it from the install and it was getting dark.

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Another cool thing about the Chief Products, it completely hide behind the lower faring until you are ready to go off road.

In this picture, I am wearing the WK2 Lower Front Guard w/ACC Guard, and the WK2 Sump Protection Plate w/Access Panel and you wouldn't even know it.
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great pics! thanks for sharing
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only issue with winch hidden is spooling. hard to watch how its wrapping. long pulls it can get to one side and bind with a full spool out.

Off road is so subjective. Forestry road can be like that. Or be say 31 miles of this. Perception. takes about an hour to go a mile there. so 3 ten hours days to make it through.

up until a few years ago a near stock jeep rubicon could do this, would be real hard on 32s and would be a lot of winching to make that 31 miles. and body damage. be it under or sides...today its 35s min and 37, 40s have made some huge holes on this trail. made it now much harder. Trail is south of Yosemite east of Fresno. If they let you in,LOLOL... I may well be one of the last jeepers on that trail. I was there when they were closing everything down....the said 2 weeks to slow the curve.....I have heard this before somewhere..........






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