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post #16 of 28 Old 03-19-2005, 01:11 AM
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I've been in the Air Force for almost 3 years now. I'm overworked, underpaid, and spend more time away from the wife than I'd like. But I'd do it over again in a heartbeat. No where else will you find a more fulfilling and meaningful job. Your parents will respect your decision, so long as you give them strong and logical reasons behind it. Tell them you realize you'll go to war, you realize it's a hard life and will be tough on them (it's harder on your family than on you.) Then tell them why you're doing it, a need to serve, a calling if you will. And that it'll give you the opportunities in life you can't have at this moment (college, travel, a well paying job after HS, etc.) They'll be proud of you, my mother's favorite quote when I was growing up was "I didn't raise my son to be shot at" but she's still proud of me.


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post #17 of 28 Old 03-19-2005, 01:27 AM
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If I could offer a little advice, join the Air Force. It's not as dangerous or strict. That might make your parents feel a little better and it's more like going to college...lots of parties and fun and you get all of the government benefits you are looking for.
5,500 are currently being re-trained by the Army to pull security and other combat support positions. Air Force does deploy just like everone else.

Army and Navy are the best for getting college done. Army will let you pick your job before you sign you contract, the other branches use job fields, the Army lets you pick a specific job. The jobs you have to choose from will depend largely on how well you do on the asvab. If you want chaplin assistant, you can get it in a contract, if you qualify and its available( thats the catch). If you can't get it you don't have to sign. Don't let any recruiter from any branch tell you can get something unless it is in your contract. Check out the different branches web sights. Get all the info you can but consider the source.

Family is important talk with them. Once you are 18 you can do as you please but still include your family in your decsion if you can.

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post #18 of 28 Old 03-19-2005, 11:28 AM
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Being a chaplains assistant also means you are the body guard to the minister. You will have to take a bullet for him.

Why dont you just get a job at UPS? They pay out college money as well
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post #19 of 28 Old 03-19-2005, 12:03 PM
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Joining the U.S. Air Force is the smartest decision I have ever made.
Even if you are stuck in Ellsworth, least its not Minot( )!

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Military is great, especially if you get stationed somewhere great. Iam in Tucson, its wonderful, except its raining and my top is off my jeep stored on the 3rd floor and it weighs alot, but ya oh well. So far my experiences have been great, great people, places, experiences and benefits.
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post #20 of 28 Old 03-19-2005, 01:28 PM
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Even if you are stuck in Ellsworth, least its not Minot( )!

J/P

Military is great, especially if you get stationed somewhere great. Iam in Tucson, its wonderful, except its raining and my top is off my jeep stored on the 3rd floor and it weighs alot, but ya oh well. So far my experiences have been great, great people, places, experiences and benefits.
It has been a very unusual winter here. 50's and 60's most of the winter with some 70's mixed in there. There was on week though just before christmas where it didnt get above zero for 4 days..now that was brutal(add in the normal SD wind and you get very cold temps)

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Air Force does deploy just like everone else.
100% correct. Especially Ellsworth since we have the B-1B and its the bomber with the biggest payload capacity so we get deployed all the time in support of OIF/OEF. More than the B-52 and B-2(the biggest waste of money). The B-2 is not being used as much as it should be for the amount of money the AF paid for the R&D on them. Plus it does cost A LOT to fly them.

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Better ask yourself: Why am I looking to enlist?

If it's a job with heavy benefits...I say, keep looking. Right now the Services are replete with dolts who thought they were getting an easy way to pay for college. Now they're doing what it is the military always is supposed to do...influence foreign relations by killing enemy soldiers and breaking things. It is not easy and there's no truly 'safe' place.

If you are committed to serving your country, and learning something about a trade, and life, and are willing to accept that for the term of your enlistment, the government owns your @ss...then join. By all means.

But be sure. Once you sign on the dotted line, there's no easy way out. Cpl. Klinger couldn't do it - and as a Navy Personnelman, I AdSepped a whole lot of people who enlisted for the wrong reasons and couldn't hack it. And if you get out with an Other Than Honorable discharge...you're deep in it, for life.

You mention becoming a Chaplain's Assistant. In the Navy, that rate is called a Religious Programs Specialist. He assists the Chaplain in all his duties, sometimes including confidential ones, such as counseing.

Nonetheless, by UN Protocols, an RP is not, repeat NOT considered a non-combatant. He is a fighting man the same as any other soldier or sailor and is a legitimate wartime target.

Think carefully. Set your goals down on paper and add up ways to meet them. It might be that the Coast Guard or National Guard service would be best for you - although, keep in mind, even NG troops are being rotated into Iraq.

And - this is important. Talk to more than one recruiter! It will help you sift out the BS.

Good luck. My experience wasn't as positive as some here...but I am glad I did what I did.

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If you want to join the military, do it. You're parents will come around at some point. My advice is to do the things that interest you. That is what they did. I flew combat helos for 15 years. Now, I'm being promoted to 05 or CDR in July. My mom about had a cow when she found out that I had enlisted.

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Better ask yourself: Why am I looking to enlist?

If it's a job with heavy benefits...I say, keep looking. Right now the Services are replete with dolts who thought they were getting an easy way to pay for college. Now they're doing what it is the military always is supposed to do...influence foreign relations by killing enemy soldiers and breaking things. It is not easy and there's no truly 'safe' place.

College has been easy for me and my soldiers, half the NCOs in my station, including myself have a BA. I paid for mine before I came in, they got their's for free, paid for by the Army. One of them is currently doing grad work, again paid for by the Army. I went to Kosovo wiht the 101st we even had an education center there with University instuctors rotated in. Obviously there will be times you can't go to college. I have alway been in fast moving units and college has almost always been availabe. If you don't get it done, its your fault.

If you are committed to serving your country, and learning something about a trade, and life, and are willing to accept that for the term of your enlistment, the government owns your @ss...then join. By all means.

This is true. It is a big commitment.

But be sure. Once you sign on the dotted line, there's no easy way out. Cpl. Klinger couldn't do it - and as a Navy Personnelman, I AdSepped a whole lot of people who enlisted for the wrong reasons and couldn't hack it. And if you get out with an Other Than Honorable discharge...you're deep in it, for life.

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You mention becoming a Chaplain's Assistant. In the Navy, that rate is called a Religious Programs Specialist. He assists the Chaplain in all his duties, sometimes including confidential ones, such as counseing.

Army too, I had a friend in Kosovo who was a Chaplin assistant. He worked hard. You are basically a secratary, driver, security, commo person, assitant all for the Chaplin.

Nonetheless, by UN Protocols, an RP is not, repeat NOT considered a non-combatant. He is a fighting man the same as any other soldier or sailor and is a legitimate wartime target.

Think carefully. Set your goals down on paper and add up ways to meet them. It might be that the Coast Guard or National Guard service would be best for you - although, keep in mind, even NG troops are being rotated into Iraq.

If you don't want to deploy, Natinal Gaurd and Army Reserve do have Civil Defense you units that only deploy state side. As an individual you could be attached to another unit that does deploy.

And - this is important. Talk to more than one recruiter! It will help you sift out the BS.

Talk to people who are in, as many as you can.

Good luck. My experience wasn't as positive as some here...but I am glad I did what I did.


My experience has been positive. I am Recruiter now which isn't the most fun but my other experience have been good.

It is worth it. My Recruiter didn't lie to me and I don't lie to my applicants. The benefits are yours, it up to you to take advantage if them.

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Look you want to become a minister. I think that is awesome. You want to help the US and server your country. I think that is awesome. DO BOTH. Become a Chaplain. Go to either the USAF Academy, CO. or some other military college. I am AF and if i could do it over i would have done ROTC it pays for college and you give 4-5 years to the service. If you want you can stay in. If you think you have done your part get out. Either way pray about it and let your God help you decide. My God helps me, check my signature...

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Its a difficult decision, especially when essentially 2 wars are being fought currently (Iraq & The Stan) I have buds in the Coast Guard who never thought they would be in Iraq, but they are there, cruising the PGulf, so dont rule out any job in terms of being in a combat area.

My advice (10+ years Army, Infantry, CPT) IS to learn all you can about different Military Occupational Specialties , MOS, There is so much more information out there today which can tell you what to expect from your job in the military. google, barnes'n'nobles, etc.

Try and see if you can talk with someone (via a recruiter) who is in the job you want, after you narrow down between Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, etc,,,,,,,

In regards to your folks, I joined up without tmine's approval in 1990 and I didnt talk to them for almost 2 years, through the whole "Deset Storm" and everything. Looking back this was really dumb but I turned down a couple of offers to play college football at some small Universities, which I didnt want to do, my folks took it as I expected them to pay for all my college tuition and partying, words were exchanged, things got overblown and next thing I knew I was down at Fort Benning getting yelled and screamed at for 16 weeks! (Loved every minute of it).

I did return to college, went back active after OCS (Sorry ROTC just wasnt for me, the unit at my college was too much of a joke for someone who used to be INFANTRY ), then got back out and finished my MBA. I regret getting out, however my wife is gald that I did.


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I just got out of the Army after twelve years as a mechanic with four combat tours, and I have a hard time recommending anyone to join the army. That is probably the wrong way to think, especially considering how bad the Army needs people. Occupation is the Army's job after all, and I am one of those that actually supported the President's decision from the beginning. WMD's was a load of crap, but occupying the country smack dab in the middle of the region we were attacked from was a smart move in my opinion.
The biggest problem I have has to do with the way things are being done. When I got out, my unit was doing a very poor job of taking care of soldiers and I didn't hear anyone else singing the praises of their unit. Army soldiers are just being spread too thin. I came back from Iraq in May '04 after being gone a year, and had I not gotten out, I would have gone back in November for another year. I also recieved orders while I was there to report to Fort Hood, Texas 1st Cavalry, (I declined), which was replacing the unit I was attached to. I watched a lot of people leave early only to be back there two months later with another unit, starting their time over for a complete year.
I am now a civilian supporting a Marine training company, and I can tell you that while they ask alot of these men, they take much better care of them. Tours in Iraq are normally seven months max, as opposed to twelve months minimum for Army soldiers, although not every Marine gets out of there in seven months. I am hesitant to say it is more dangerous to be a Marine, as I don't want to take away from any other service and the dangers they face daily, but I think it is safe to say as a Marine, you will see action.
As far as the Air Force, they take even better care of their people. There were sections of the camps that were for Airmen only, where they had luxeries that were not even being considered by the Army. Sound silly here, but small things in combat make a big difference and knowing the Air Force was eating ice cream in an air conditioned tent after a hot shower was a little hard to take. That doesn't mean that they were laying aroung all day waiting to go home, they worked hard and they worked long hours like the rest of us. They were just taken better care of when they were off. Also take into account that their tours are four months long, and they are supposed to be stabilized stateside for two years before they can go back. Whether that is actually happening or not, is a question for someone in the Air Force.
I don't know enough about the Navy or the Coast Guard to tell you if it is better or worse, but I would recommend checking them out before the Army. I don't regret any of the decisions I made as far as joining, and I would not be who I am today had I choosen a different path. I am proud of my service, and things may have changed since I was there, or they may be in the process of changing. Also the problems I had may have been limited to the unit I was in. This was my experience, and as someone aready said here, talk to as many people that are in now, and see what they have to say. If a majority say things that make sense to you and sound good, that is probably the service for you.
One last thing, and then I can get off my soap box. Serving in the military, regardless of the branch, really puts things in perspective. I laugh at some of the stuff people claim to be earth-shattering, worriesome, end-of-the world problems. This is where the "you'll grow up fast" mentality comes from. It is harder to worry about stupid stuff after you've seen whole families living in an actual garbage dump to survive.

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When I enlisted in the Corps (20050228, I leave in September for basic) I had zero support from my father. I am only 17 as well. My mother wants me to do what makes me happy, and I have ALWAYS wanted to be a Marine. I am doing it 1) to serve the country that I appreciate dearly, 2) to help out with college and 3) to get paid to use a gun. I sat down with my dad and told him that either he signs the consent form now...or I can wait til August 30th (my bday) to enlist. He now supports me and realizes that I am doing this to help our country in any way I can, and also I am saving them a ton of financial trouble by having the military pay for the majority of my education. He is still against me getting shipped off or whatever, and so is my mother for that matter, but they both know that I am doing this to help myself and to help them.

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OK, real quick...first, your father is STILL a Marine, but I'm sure that was just a slip of the "tongue".

DJFuzzy, you won't be going to basic, you'll be going to bootcamp. The Corps doesn't do "basic".

Now that I'm doing being a prick, onto your questions.

It's pretty much been covered but just to add in my $.04 (I have a lot of opinions, and since I'm a Marine, my opinions are always right) make sure it's what you REALLY want to do. I'm not trying to talk you out of it, but it's a decent chunk of your life, there are plenty of REALLY crappy things about it, it can be very dangerous and your family is your blood, is it really worth it to you to possibly alienate them? I'm not saying it is or isn't, that's a decision you'll have to make. Just some things to think about.

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