Any Army jeepers? - JeepForum.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 01:34 AM Thread Starter
jrcaz7
Registered User
 
jrcaz7's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Albany, NY
Posts: 182
Any Army jeepers?

specifically Rangers or SF. I'm interested in joining and got a few questions.


1994 YJ Sahara.

2'' BDS, 1.25'' Shackle, 31x10.5'' BFG Mud Terrain's mounted on black 15x8 Cragar Soft 8's.

1995 ZJ begging to be lifted.
jrcaz7 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 11:34 AM
atxtj
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 543
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrcaz7
specifically Rangers or SF. I'm interested in joining and got a few questions.
Join and THEN think about going ranger/SF. You need to be an E4 to go Ranger and an E5 to go SF, I think. 3 years infantry and 3 years Cavalry trooper here.

Last edited by atxtj; 08-26-2004 at 12:36 PM.
atxtj is offline  
post #3 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 12:28 PM Thread Starter
jrcaz7
Registered User
 
jrcaz7's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Albany, NY
Posts: 182
I wouldnt join til i finish college so i would start at E-4

1994 YJ Sahara.

2'' BDS, 1.25'' Shackle, 31x10.5'' BFG Mud Terrain's mounted on black 15x8 Cragar Soft 8's.

1995 ZJ begging to be lifted.
jrcaz7 is offline  
 
post #4 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 12:29 PM Thread Starter
jrcaz7
Registered User
 
jrcaz7's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Albany, NY
Posts: 182
and you dont need e-5 to join special forces, its called the 18x program.

1994 YJ Sahara.

2'' BDS, 1.25'' Shackle, 31x10.5'' BFG Mud Terrain's mounted on black 15x8 Cragar Soft 8's.

1995 ZJ begging to be lifted.
jrcaz7 is offline  
post #5 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 12:35 PM
atxtj
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 543
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrcaz7
and you dont need e-5 to join special forces, its called the 18x program.
What is that?
atxtj is offline  
post #6 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 12:42 PM
Hanzo
Registered User
2006 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: San Diego
Posts: 597
Why in the world would you finish college and then go into the Army enlisted? Do you have something against a more comfortable lifestyle, more money and more opportunities when you get out?

And does the Army really let you enlist as an NCO?
Hanzo is offline  
post #7 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 01:00 PM
atxtj
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 543
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanzo
Why in the world would you finish college and then go into the Army enlisted? Do you have something against a more comfortable lifestyle, more money and more opportunities when you get out?

And does the Army really let you enlist as an NCO?
He will be a specialist, thats not an NCO. and i never wanted to be an officer because I didn't want to pull staff duty. Theres too much politics in the officer's corp. No offense to any O-?'s on the board.
atxtj is offline  
post #8 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 01:07 PM
Hanzo
Registered User
2006 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: San Diego
Posts: 597
OK, I am pretty ignorant when it comes to you army boys, but what's the difference between a specialist and an NCO? I thought you go do either one once you hit a certain rank, like parrallel career paths.
Hanzo is offline  
post #9 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 01:18 PM
IdahoSpud
Guest
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanzo
OK, I am pretty ignorant when it comes to you army boys, but what's the difference between a specialist and an NCO? I thought you go do either one once you hit a certain rank, like parrallel career paths.
The Army confuses me, too. But I found this stuff:

The "College First" program
http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/armyj...llegefirst.htm

I don't really get it. I thought that the Army picks up rank pretty quick. I mean, it isn't unheard of to pick up E-5 or E-6 in four years in the Army, right? So wouldn't it be quicker to just enlist rather than go to school only to enlist as an E-4? Am I missing something? I've heard that being an officer can get pretty political but when I look at my ex-stepdad who retired from the AF as a Lt. Col., well, it doesn't look like such a bad gig.

18x enlistment option:
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...jobs/bl18x.htm
IdahoSpud is offline  
post #10 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 01:24 PM
Hanzo
Registered User
2006 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: San Diego
Posts: 597
True, being an officer can get very political. BUT...

No politics @ 20K a year or Politics @ 70K a year...hmmm...politics please!

Not to mention, as infantry, you're NOT going to carry any of your skills into the civilian world. But, an officer will generally learn more things to transfer later. Not to mention, you're going to be a lot older if you go through college first, and trust me, you WILL slow down. Take a few classes so pick up some quick rank (I think you need like 20 units or something like that) and then go for it. Going to college first and then going enlisted is a waste.
Hanzo is offline  
post #11 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 01:27 PM
atxtj
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 543
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanzo
OK, I am pretty ignorant when it comes to you army boys, but what's the difference between a specialist and an NCO? I thought you go do either one once you hit a certain rank, like parrallel career paths.
E4 has two ranks in the army, specialist and corporal. A specialist is in charge of equipment (a driver on my tank), a corporal is in charge of people(NCO). Basicaly a spec. is a glorified pvt.
atxtj is offline  
post #12 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 01:32 PM
atxtj
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 543
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanzo
True, being an officer can get very political. BUT...

No politics @ 20K a year or Politics @ 70K a year...hmmm...politics please!

Not to mention, as infantry, you're NOT going to carry any of your skills into the civilian world. But, an officer will generally learn more things to transfer later. Not to mention, you're going to be a lot older if you go through college first, and trust me, you WILL slow down. Take a few classes so pick up some quick rank (I think you need like 20 units or something like that) and then go for it. Going to college first and then going enlisted is a waste.
That's true!! But SF school isn't MOS specific, same with ranger school. they are leadership schools , I know alot of ranger cooks and mechanics. You have to go through ranger school to serve in the ranger battalions. But tanking is where it's at, why walk when you can ride?
atxtj is offline  
post #13 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 06:52 PM
johnniebravo
Registered User
2008 WK 
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bristow, VA
Posts: 919
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanzo
True, being an officer can get very political. BUT...

No politics @ 20K a year or Politics @ 70K a year...hmmm...politics please!

Not to mention, as infantry, you're NOT going to carry any of your skills into the civilian world. But, an officer will generally learn more things to transfer later. Not to mention, you're going to be a lot older if you go through college first, and trust me, you WILL slow down. Take a few classes so pick up some quick rank (I think you need like 20 units or something like that) and then go for it. Going to college first and then going enlisted is a waste.
I don't know what infantryman you have known, but the ones that i know and have known have MANY skills that can transfer. Just because you are a grunt doesn't mean that you can only road march and shoot people. I look at as a percentage rule, among infantryman there are 20 percent who aren't too bright but can do their job, 30 percent who are pretty smart and do the minimum to get by, and the other 50 percent.....they aren't grunts because they can't get any other job....they choose it. and from my experience they are for lack of better terms "super smart". As far as learning more skills as an officer that will transfer to the civilian world, thats not true either...who do you think makes sure that officers job gets done? the NCO's do.

jrcaz7, if you want to go to college first and then enlist, do it. Before you make any decisions weigh all of your options and then make an informed decision. Officer or enlisted? you are the only one who knows whats best for you....ask a lot of questions....trust the answers only from people you know well. DON'T listen to the recruiter.

There is nothing wrong with going into the services older....yes you may be older than your supervisor...but what you initially lack in rank you will make up with maturity and life experience...eventually it will all even out and you will likely end up ahead.

if you can't already tell, i went to college first and then enlisted. it was a choice i made and one that i am glad i made. i wouldn't change it if i could

if you have any questions feel free to pm me and we can talk. i spend the last 3.5 years with 1st Special Forces Group (Airborne), i am sure i can shed some light on the subject for you.

2008 CRD GC
johnniebravo is offline  
post #14 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 07:06 PM
atxtj
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 543
Sniff, sniff... I smell a crunchy!! j/k
NCO's are the backbone of the army. A good E-6 has more leadership than most of the capt.'s I know, and more knowledge.
atxtj is offline  
post #15 of 46 Old 08-26-2004, 07:06 PM
Hanzo
Registered User
2006 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: San Diego
Posts: 597
Well, since you asked, yes, I have known a few grunts, mostly, all the grunts in my old unit.

Now, please explain to me what skills you learned in the infantry that carried over into the civilian world. I can't wait to hear this. Disassembling and reassembling an M2 quickly? Immediate action drills? How to set up the perfect L shaped ambush? Congradulations, Morgan Stanley & Dean Whitter is looking for those exact skills!

Yes, I also went to college before enlisting, and I regret it very much. Now that I'm out and in the civilian world, I can tell you that the skills of a grunt DO NOT TRANSFER. I am glad I was a grunt and I chose that MOS even though, yes, I could've had any job I wanted.

As for NCOs making sure that the officers get their jobs done...buddy, either you've got WAY too big of an ego or some $hitbird officers.

Yes, I was a grunt and a good one at that. I am very glad that I spent the time in the Corps that I did and I wouldn't trade it for anything. But, you'd better be willing to do it on it's merits alone, cause it's not going to get you anything else.

As was stated before, any MOS can go into these groups, so consider (like I said, I'm very glad I was a grunt) something like Motor T where you can put those skills to use after you get out. Or communications, or logisitics, or admin. In the infantry, your job is to fight and that is what you learn to do. But in the civilian world, there's not much use for that. If you want to make the army a career, great, but then why spend the time and money on college? If you want to go to college first, great, then do yourself a favor and become an officer. If you want college so that after your time in the military you have something to fall back on, great, but do it AFTER you get out so that the GI Bill will pay for it.

Hey, it's your life, but I'm telling you that there is a reason that you will almost NEVER find enlisted service men and women with a 4 year degree.
Hanzo is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the JeepForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid e-mail address for yourself.



Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Jeep Forums Replies Last Post
Army Jeepers shunt Military Jeepers 199 05-16-2011 07:01 PM
Army JK? BiGEN General Discussion 30 09-12-2008 10:35 PM
i cant even beg my way into the army tuckinauster Military Jeepers 20 05-25-2007 04:27 AM
Any Army Jeepers? rick95 General Discussion 50 05-14-2006 01:32 PM
The army should use these... Kahu General Discussion 16 07-09-2005 11:38 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome