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post #1 of 13 Old 09-23-2019, 03:45 PM Thread Starter
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Dodged a bullet, but eventually found the right KK.

Hi everyone. I had an offer accepted on a 2011 Liberty Renegade with this really cool feature known as a "sky slider." The dealership was really up-selling based on that feature, but I couldn't help but feel as though it seemed overly complicated and therefore wondered what it would cost to fix. As many of you already know, they cant be fixed. None of the parts are serviceable and the replacement roof in full is no longer in production. A custom autobody shop known for installing aftermarket skylights and such told me they can't so anything with it other than force it closed and make it inoperable if it breaks. The owner said he often received KK's with this feature when Jeep dealerships sent their customers to him for warranty work. He went so far as to flat out tell me to get my deposit back and not buy a Liberty with this option... so that's what I did.

I found a Liberty Limited Jet with low miles in very clean condition. I'm not a chrome and big wheel kind of guy... which is why the Renegade trim appealed to me. So I am looking into replacing these 20" wheels with something more rugged and with better rubber for getting through snow. In my line of work there are no such things as snow days.

I am trying to work out the optimal wheel and tire size for something like a BFGoodrich ALL-TERRAIN T/A KO2. I am interested in a small lift in the future, so if I can get some help determining the largest tire size to fit without rubbing that would be a huge help. Is there a company I should check out for aftermarket components for Liberties?

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post #2 of 13 Old 09-23-2019, 07:14 PM
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Congrats on the new Liberty!

You can run 16” or 17” rims on it and still get KO2’s. The 16” runs will give you a better ride and let you air down more off-road if you want to.

You’ll want to stay under a 31” diameter tire in either case with a 2.5” lift. 245/75R16 works well with stock 16x7 Liberty rims and a 2.5” lift. It’s 30.5” tall and while it will sap some power and mpg, it’s doable without regearing. I recommend the 6 ply load range C if you can get it because it will ride better than the E’s.

If you don’t lift your Jeep, stick with a 29” tall tire, like a 245/70R16. That one will be wider and meatier than the stock 225/75R16’s and won’t rub because it’s the same height.

A note on lifting: get Old Man Emu (OME) springs and Bilstein shocks. This combo is time tested and works well. Avoid spacer lifts like the plague. They’ll ruin your stock springs and shocks and ride harshly.

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Murchison claims to offer long-travel struts and shocks - I wonder if they'll share specs

https://www.murchisonproducts.com.au...pension-system

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Thank you so much guys. I really appreciate the info! I am supposed to pick up the truck today (if I can get a ride there). I'll snap some photos when I get back!

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So how about wheel options? Local tire shop is warning me about the Liberty being a high offset application so my choices in wheels seem limited and more car like.

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post #6 of 13 Old 09-24-2019, 12:46 PM Thread Starter
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After some research I decided to go with Black Rhino Warlord wheels in a 17x8. For tires I am going with KO2's 245/65R17.
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Hmmm, those tires would fit on a Patriot/ Compass - most in here are running skinny 31s, like 245/75R16 or 235/75R17

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post #8 of 13 Old 09-26-2019, 03:34 PM Thread Starter
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Hmmm, those tires would fit on a Patriot/ Compass - most in here are running skinny 31s, like 245/75R16 or 235/75R17
Would the 31's not rub the wheel wells and suspension components without being lifted? The lift isn't happening yet. Probably next spring if at all.

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The skinny 31s work with the factory offset/ backspacing, so the tires tuck inside the fenders instead of contacting them. A quick check you can do is to measure your uptravel, and then you'll see how the skinny 31 can avoid contact. I thought I should mention this because your OP asked for max tire size. A lot of people come to the forum looking for tire lift.

The fitment issues arise when increasing tire width, or when reducing wheel backspacing, to give the tires a wider track. The wider look is cool, but does not allow for maximum tire lift/ diameter on the Liberty. We totally understand your considering a wider track, that's a common mod, a popular look, but on the Liberty justifies the 29.5" tires you mentioned.

So there's a fork in the road - keep the wheels tucked, factory offset, to run tall, skinny tires - or reduce backspacing for a wider track, but the wider look will require you to skip the tire lift (if you're not committed to the suspension lift).

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2006 TJ budget LCG prerunner (see profile)
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Thoughts? I freakin love them.
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Upgraded the headlights and the fog lights to LEDs. Better output all around and the fogs are yellow LEDs for better weather penetration.

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Looks awesome, Mutineer! The black headlight surrounds with the black rims are a nice touch.

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Thanks! I'm a big fan. I would like to eventually wrap the chrome in matte black. I have a brush guard and tail light covers on the way and I have auxiliary PIAA driving lights ready to install.

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