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post #1 of 15 Old 03-26-2020, 05:03 PM Thread Starter
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Winch ?

I am probably going to spring for a winch with in the next few months, mainly 'cause I dont want to rush to buy a particular one and then have buyers remorse 'cause I didnt do enough research / homework. Main thing that I am wanting to find out is folks that have first hand exp. ( the more the better ) with particular brands of winches. So far I have found things on the web saying good & bad about all of the major brands ( warn , ramsey, smitty )

I know each company has had lemons go out - so one here or there is a wash for me. A couple of the things I am wanting to find out is things like when people had trouble with them how much shat did they get or didnt get, some of the have a 6.5 HP motor then some have a 7 HP- is that 1/2 v enough of a difference to swing a buy one way or another

And how big a deal is the gearing, and the IP 67 or 68 ratings-- I know what those are but if I get a IP 67 sould I be worried about water intrusion

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post #2 of 15 Old 03-26-2020, 05:30 PM
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I would only get one if made here, yes it will cost more. Nothing says its a Jeep more then made in China. I did have a box brand China made one once it did the job but was extremely slow on lines speed and the build quality was horrid. Not sure how the gauge wire in China but must some of that new math. The engage or neutral lever felt clunky and loose.

I do use a winch a lot in a season. When i broke the box branded China one it was all my fault as i shock loaded it and blew the planetary out. When i knuckled up and bought a Warren zeon 10s right from the install i could tell this was a quality part. wires were much larger and had the chafe guarding as well. But there are very supple. The engage and neutral lever is like clock work. The way they hooked up the rope is unique as well. the rope can not come off the spool its chalked in like rock climbers stopper. rather cool. the way it treads through the spool and has the keeper wedge that then is pulled into the slot. Line speed is way faster.

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I know smittybilt is an extremely popular winch because of its price point and it’s probably a pretty decent winch. In fact its probably as good or better than all the others except Warn. I’m only going to say get a Warn, its made here and they are just better quality. I do personally like the Zeon series and the old tried and true M8000 is a really good basic winch.
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The only thing really got me to question the warn is they have basically 3 " lines "
a standard , a premium and a ultimate. The price doubles from the standard to the premium, so what the heck makes the middle class worth twice the price? But for me , i could only go with the standard duty-- so that gets me to thinking that maybe the standard dutys are not all that great??

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I'm not sure about Warn's "lines" but yes they do have some that are a budget line such as the VR series winches. I'd still rather have one of those than a Smittybilt, at least you'll get company support from Warn. You were already told what makes the US made Warns worth the price, quality, company backing and US made. Maybe you could ask Warn why and see what they say.

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I run the Warn Zeon 10S as well. It gets ridden hard and put away wet, and has never let me down. A nice feature of that line is that you can remote mount the solenoid unit, and reduce the frontal surface area - on my rig I can use all the airflow I can get.

Warn introduced their budget lines because they were having their lunch eaten by the cheaper (cost and quality wise) brands. In a large part of the market, price beats quality every time. Iím glad they have done that because it has kept them in business and allows them to continue to produce and sell the higher quality lines.

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Warn's VR line is actually made in China...but at an actual Warn plant and with a Warn design. You can get repair parts for them like any Warn and they do have the company's real support.
With Smitty (and other budget brands), it's made in China by an unknown company and zero customer support or parts availability if the winch needs repaired. These type are basically disposable once their warranty is over.
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Hoping to reopen this thread, as I donít see any others. In real world terms is anyone having real problems with the lower priced models in any brand? Do the Smitties perform well, or are people having nightmares about having to use theirs? Just looking for input. Thanks
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Hoping to reopen this thread, as I donít see any others. In real world terms is anyone having real problems with the lower priced models in any brand? Do the Smitties perform well, or are people having nightmares about having to use theirs? Just looking for input. Thanks

I ran a Harbor freight Badlands winch for several years. And I know quite a few other guys running them. They have all worked when needed. They worked slowly, but they worked. I know quite a few with Smittybilt winches and none I no of have ever had any issues. In my personal experience, if it's for an occasional use, you'll be fine with a cheaper winch for a while. Where the US winches like Warn really shine is pulling speed and duty cycle. And being able to replace parts.

With that said, I now run a Warn 8274 and absolutely love it.

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I did not want to spend the $ on a warn , but I am not going to spend any significant $ for any chinese product if I can help it. I am just going to have to save up a little more $ if I end up getting one.

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Just looked at your profile (nice plate BTW). I think the first question is just how much and how hard do you anticipate using the winch? With a few exceptions, most folks hang a winch on the front bumper, where it sits unused for years. If you (honestly) believe this is you, or you're only looking to use it rarely in lighter mediums (sand, slick mud, etc), a cheaper winch would put you money ahead. If you feel you are going to venture out into the unknown, deep mud, cross ravines, and other heavier pulls, or use it frequently, then a higher quality winch may be more appropriate.

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That is my thinking as well. Thanks for the input.
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The winch would be sparsely used- just a couple times a year most likely -- 'cause I am not a big time off road wheeler, and dont intentionally get in the mud, just deep sugar sand.-- Thanks for the advice & imput

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A lot of people buy a winch and hardly ever use them. Unless alone or say running hard trails were its a need at times. Basic recovery should be first. If you have never worked with a winch and for many people this is a buy and if it gets used was when they spooled it up and many times wrongly. Winch next to say a high lift, two of the most dangerous tools in the recovery box.

Alone the main issue with a winch is having a point of anchor. Depending on where you live, terrain ect. Group you have the jeep in front of you. Not always is the tree or anything simple where it really needs to be if any at all for an anchor. More of the why the tool used has a learning curve. Cable can kill you, rope breaks; more wear it gets the closer it is to that point. the rope wont recoil like cable. But is way more likely to break. cable can last a life time if well cared for. Rope i would bet in 5 years degraded even never used, in ten year? its a wear item like tires.
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Honestly, you may better served spending the moola fixing/upgrading some other things (heinous gearing, locker/LS, mild lift, tires, etc...). I think you would be miles ahead with things you can use every time you drive the rig.
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