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post #466 of 487 Old 06-25-2020, 07:41 PM Thread Starter
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Ok... let’s skip to the good part! She’s alive!!.. sorta!

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I’ve busted my butt to get to this point so I can get her on the trailer so we can build the exhaust at my buddies super clean place.

I won’t bore with all the tiny details, but it’s been lots of brake bleeding, filling fluids, plumbing fuel, filling and bleeding PS, coolant, oils etc. some painting and lots of shuffling to get it out.

I have some issues to resolve and some I have already. I had to flip the PCM mounting because the plugs wouldn’t reach, had to cut and move the driver side seat tabs because the seat was too close to the harness bar to fit, had to re-do the front brake lines because I’m an idiot and didn’t leave any slack for the calipers to move.. silly things.

But I got most things cleaned up.
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Engine bay is almost as clean as when I first put it in.

I also have a ton of tube to do the exhaust tomorrow.. and a fleet of other vehicles probably haha.
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Since it is without exhaust I only took it for a single spin around the block because I couldn’t resist. It was enough to identify outstanding issues;
-Coolant needs bleeding, have t done it.
-Power steering still has air. I only bled it with the engine off.
-Brakes still have air in them. I have great pedal pressure engine off, soon as I start it it goes to the floor. I can stop ok, but I have to pump the pedal 2 times for a real stop.
-I have a leaking fitting to the hydraulic ram that I knew about before, I knicked the sealing surface when I tried to open it. I have a fix on the way. Guessing this may be part of why I have air in the system and why I have weak steering.
- still need limit straps on the rear, they are on order.
- my front fittings on the calipers contact my lower link mounts at full lock, enough that I could conceivably wear a hole in them. I’ve ordered some 35” banjo bolt to AN adapters that will get them out of harms way.
-winch needs mounted
- several things, like the sliders need to be painted.

First impressions; she’s soft! She sits level with no occupants, but if I stand on the sliders she drops down about 15 degrees. Definitely has a lean with one occupant. I still wish I could get it just a little lower, it’s taller than I’d like. I currently have over 6” of useable uptravel front and rear. Waaay more than I need for crawling. I can’t see going any lower in spring rates since I’m 150’s in front and 100’s in back so I’m not sure how to bring it down more without softer springs. Technically it’s exactly what I shot for so I’m where I want to be, but seeing it now I would like lower.

Specs are as follows: WB sits just about 112”, belly heigh is 24”, height to the top of the cage is 79”, width to outside of tires is just under 85”(same front and rear). The top of the hoot sits just above my shoulders haha,

Happily she fired right up after sitting for 9months like nothing had ever happened. Exhaust tomorrow then lworking our the little bugs then on to making her a little prettier on the outside! Very excited!

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post #467 of 487 Old 06-25-2020, 09:00 PM
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Dude! The rig looks schweet! Great to see it out in the sun.

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post #468 of 487 Old 06-26-2020, 08:33 AM
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I am no C/O expert, but here is a thought, maybe a bad one, but a thought none the less. If you like the spring rate can't you just get a shorter spring? Could you cut off a couple coils?

Second thought... I see you still have a single diaphragm brake booster. Adding a DD booster really helped my holding power in 4low. Since you are still working on the brakes it is something to consider.

Last... It looks awesome.

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post #469 of 487 Old 06-26-2020, 08:53 AM
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Looks awesome man. Easy fix for your height... Bigger tires

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post #470 of 487 Old 06-26-2020, 09:15 AM
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Wow, Just WOW!! You have done a phenomenal job on your build! I really enjoy reading your updates and following along! Cant wait to see it on the trail!


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post #471 of 487 Old 06-26-2020, 08:03 PM
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post #472 of 487 Old 06-27-2020, 10:47 PM Thread Starter
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I appreciate all the support! It’s been fun so far, but I bit off more than I expected, happy it’s getting closer.

(Long post warning, bail out now if you don’t want to hear my thoughts!)

Yesterday got me even closer as we got the exhaust all finished up. It was a LONG day though!

The day before another buddy and I got the Jeep loaded on my trailer. There had been some drama with the ‘friend’ I had storing it for me and long story short he badly damaged it, fixed it and then made off with my toolbox that had all my straps, hitches, jacks, tools etc and dropped off the face of the earth. The land owner then didn’t want me taking my trailer and had loaded it with stuff to prevent me from doing so. I effectively had to unload it and steal my own trailer back.. anyways.. moving on...

The bottom line is the Jeep fits, but only just. The deck is 77” wide and my Jeep is 85. It luckily had drive over fenders from the prior owners 1ton YJ so I used those and it fit right up, a quick trip to tractor supply For some new D-rings, a couple holes later and some New straps that arrived just in time and we were in business!
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45min drive to my buddies house and the work began.
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It was much more time consuming than I planned. Before I had basically just used a handful of part store bends and made it work. This time we did it right with full mandrel bends and V-band clamps, along with a stainless steel header.
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Had to take like half the engine apart, modify motor mounts and clearance several things to even get the header to work. Then my good friend got fancy with the Tig!

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I need to take some pics of the whole thing on there, but it was 2am when I finally pulled back up to my house. We had some complications including needing an additional V-band that another friend happened to have across town, and changing my muffler at the last minute.

I had originally planned on a long classic chambered Powerstick. 26” body to be exact. I was pretty excited, but when we got it test fitted and ran it I was really disappointed. It sounded no better than my $20 glass pack and was just as loud or louder.

Fortunately my friend has a plethora of organized extras at his place and happened to have a nice flow master he had just taken off his JL. It fit perfectly and was much quieter and cleaner sounding, so we burned that in and added a hanger.

I love the V-bands because it’s a snap to take the whole exhaust out, just 2 bolts now!

I’ve only driven it a little more and I’m a little worried about some stuff. (Sorry this post is long, but you know I’m keen on puking my thoughts out haha!)

So back to my concerns; coilovers unloading. This thing is Leah lighter than I originally thought. Even with the cage my sprung weight is so low I’m not only sitting high, but being in 4wd creates an INSANE jacking effect when I’m turning.

I know it was late yesterday, but I backed off a street curb while turning tightly to get it lined up with the trailer and it had a clench factor like I’ve never felt. The whole tub torqued over like a dumbbell glued to the top of a slinky. The thought very honestly went through my head.. “I’m gonna flop it on a CURB!”

I don’t know what the fix or cause is. I know valving can and should be tuned, I also know this is a known issue with light rigs on long coils, I know a rear seat bar can possibly correct it, but it is not a good feeling.

If anyone out there has coilover experience and can chime in then please let me know what your thoughts are. It seems to handle fine on the street in 2wd, has a notable lean on turns and likes to gangsta lean with just 1 occupant, but it’s vexing. I’m too light to compress my springs where I want, abs too light for the rig to follow the axles..

Either way, she moves and that lets me move forward with much more confidence! If you read all this then go you!
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post #473 of 487 Old 06-28-2020, 07:56 AM
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I canít recall, but are you running sway bars?

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post #474 of 487 Old 06-28-2020, 12:50 PM Thread Starter
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I can’t recall, but are you running sway bars?
Not currently, I will likely need to add and anti-rock in the rear.

I’m going to talk to accutune tomorrow to double check my numbers, but what I’m thinking is that if I add tendercoils I can go negative on preload to lower the ride height by 2.5”, that will lower my COG significantly but still leave me about 4” uptravel. This will also flatten my links since my front is at 11.2 degrees at ride height which adds to the problem. Then I may also swap back to slightly firmer springs that will better control the torque lean and help with load carrying capacity so it doesn’t lean so hard with uneven weight (1 passenger vs 2 etc).

The more I read the more common it is to have a low geared, light rig dealing with this, but it can be solved. A sway bar, or 2 will be added if cheaper tuning and adjustments can’t get it under control enough, but I’m going to try and tune the problem out or down if I can first.
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Sway bars are a must for coilovers. Remember your springs will settle a little bit. I would look at TK1 double sheer sway bar since you have so much travel. Try sway bars first do a wheeling trip or two and see how much it settles before changing.

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Sway bars are a must for coilovers. Remember your springs will settle a little bit. I would look at TK1 double sheer sway bar since you have so much travel. Try sway bars first do a wheeling trip or two and see how much it settles before changing.
The TK1 setup is what I’m planning on going with, heard lots of good things and they are well priced. I will still likely go with tender coils though since I really want to get the ride height down, i just don’t need 6” of uptravel. If I shave 2” off then it’s going to make me much happier.

I ultimately I need to make up my mind on springs as soon as possible as I’m only able to swap them out at no cost if they remain in like-new condition. Basically if they get marred up then I have to re-buy them.. and I’m basically out of Jeep money if I want to keep my marriage intact haha. That’s also why I haven’t jumped to buy the sway bar stuff yet.
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and Iím basically out of Jeep money if I want to keep my marriage intact haha.
I've been there before. That's how it was during my 2 year build on mine. I got tired of spending money myself too. It just seems no matter how much money you throw at it, something else comes up that needs just a little more.
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post #478 of 487 Old 06-29-2020, 11:25 AM
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Two words for you guys - offshore account.
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Awesome build man. i am liking the red/black/silver more so than the red/yellow/black combo.

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Awesome build man. i am liking the red/black/silver more so than the red/yellow/black combo.

Whoa - Whatís wrong with yellow/black?


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