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post #61 of 71 Old 11-08-2020, 04:35 PM Thread Starter
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I've been wheeling every weekend for the last few months. I've been talking to all the local veterans (probably staying here for some time to come) about what they are running, what they have had good and bad success with, and one of the most hard-core guys I ran into told me to stick with the D30 front but put RCVs in it. Said he has never broken the D30 with RCVs but broken a couple of D44 w/o (he has tons of rigs and wheels them hard). That would be a much cheaper option that allows me to put money into other things that add more performance instead of just insurance.

Full Cage is on my list still, but I am a bit more comfortable with what I can do without flopping her, or so I think....knock on wood and all that. So I might push that down the list a bit but not too far. I think deeper gears in the transfer case is better money spent. So maybe re-prioritize as:
  1. RCVs in front, Chromo in rear....axles seals need replacing anyway.
  2. T-case love.... Atlas 5.44:1 would put me in the zone for the really hard obstacles with the manual, but quite spendy, likely together with tummy tuck
  3. Full cage
  4. some combo of 3/4 link, and trusses


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I've been prioritizing my upgrade/wishlist based on my last trips. I don't have them exactly in order because of $$, but here is my reasoning (welcome input).

  1. Full Cage (I almost rolled, because I am doing all the hard lines)
  2. Synthetic line for the winch and soft shackles.
  3. Front axles swap. G2 Axle and Gear has a HP44 with choice of lockers, chromo shafts, bolt in that is an attractive price. I don't have the shop space to really beat that price.
  4. Tummy tuck. Probably TMR's skid plate and universal cross member.
  5. Needs some stretch... probably done with a couple of the next items
  6. 3 link/4 link.
  7. Rear axle upgrade. Maybe a D60 since it isn't much more expensive and with 35s I won't worry about outgrowing or breaking it. I am putting this at the last unless I break my current D44 with Detroit lockers. But the Detroit I hate. It bangs all the time and it is squirrely as hell in wet or icy conditions.

Obviously some can be done together but that gets costly in one chunk. I am even more assured that for quite a bit in the near future nothing bigger than 35s is on the horizon. We were able to do stuff even with 33s that all the others did and the rest has to come up to par to meet it. I just don't think the wheelbase of the TJ merits anything more unless you are doing some extreme stretching but I am like some others here and need to drive to and from the trails. This is no trailer queen.

Anyone have experience with G2 Axle and Gear axles? Because I am in Canada, a lot of American brands are stupid expensive (e.g. Currie) especially after importing.



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For those that suggested a HP30, what vehicles/year did those come out of? YJs of a specific? Would my ARB air locker and gear move over easily into it, or would I need to change? It is an interesting option.

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For those that suggested a HP30, what vehicles/year did those come out of? YJs of a specific? Would my ARB air locker and gear move over easily into it, or would I need to change? It is an interesting option.
All YJs 87-95 had HP Dana 30s. The ARB should move over, I am not 100% sure if the gears would so might need to check that. Most if not all XJs have HP30s too.

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XJs are a good source for HP30s. Look for the later years.
ARB will move over.
However, you will need new gears as the HP is a reverse rotation.
You can also cryo treat the gears to increase the strength.

T-Case - you could consider finding a 241OR from a '03-06 Rubi. Gives you 4:1 ratio.
Easier to package than an Atlas.
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Our season is officially done till May. That is all the public [crown] land trails as we hand them over to the snowmobile clubs. It is mostly an agreement we have with them as we, the collection of Jeep clubs under the guise of the Ontario Federation of 4 Wheel Drivers, collection of ATV/SxS clubs and the collection of snowmobile clubs, all work together to keep access to these trails with the provincial government. By the way, I am really quite impressed with the folks I meant through two groups, one official club I joined and another unassociated club who many of us also wheel with. Plenty of women wheelers in the group as well. Friendly, not too many know it alls, etc.

There are some guys with large plots of land that invite people up for winter wheeling and I became friends with two such guys this season and went to one of their places already. There is also a dedicated 'park' that is on the smaller side but has year round trails. The issue is I'd rather not drive the roads a lot in the winter as the salt does murder on your frames/body and I am doing all I can to keep the frame solid for years to come. This means it is mostly modding season!

A couple of pics from the last run of the season last weekend. There was some light snow in sections. It was a pretty tame trail for the most part with only one moderate obstacle that closer-to-stock Jeeps with open diffs had issues with as it was pretty greasy, but it was fun to get out anyway.
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I thought everyone up in the north country had both and Jeep and a snowmobile...

Looks like a great trip.

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Found a video of guys doing one of our hardest rated trails 5/5. Jeep goals for the build season!


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Need to figure out if my lift is the right height.

Height to bottom of frame rail is 21.5", the middle of the axle hub is 17". My shocks 21.5" long eye to eye, maybe a tad more, 7" exposed.

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Last week I went out to a shop that specializes in building Jeeps. They do a lot of LS3 swaps and even had a TJ on the lift (or I should say the body was on the lift, the frame was under it lifted only a little). That one was getting an LS3/4L80e, TMR tummy tuck and 3/4 link TMR based suspension that was very mid-arm like. They were also stretching it to 104" with a fuel cell in the tub.

We talked about my rig and they are going to get me a quote to:

1) install a np241
2) do the TMR TT
3) do a similar 3/4 link mid-arm suspension
4) outboard the rear shocks (they french in the shock towers)

I'd really like to see how similar their 3/4 setup is to the Savvy mid-arm kit. I could just order the savvy but here in Canada it would cost easily more than double as the shipping costs are super high, we get hit with 13% duties and the currency exchange isn't exactly in our favor. So I downloaded the link calculators and now I need to start figuring out how to use it.

We talked a bunch about my current constraints which are the rig can't get any taller at all; I already rub quite a bit getting in and out of my garage and I already found the only garage in my area that fits my Jeep as my building's garage is about 7" too short. It is also my only vehicle and I need to keep my backseat for my 'step-son' and need some area for grocery getting.

35" tires are here for the next couple of years and I'd like to optimize my rig the best I can, namely I would really love to improve its climbing ability and stability. This thus far seems to be my biggest limitation with my current setup on the Curries 4" lift. We have many many obstacles that are rock ledges/walls or what we often call whalebacks. They are what I consider the most fun challenges in our area and I'd like to improve the performance on these obstacles.

Anyone by chance know approximately what the starting values in the link calculator would be for a TJ on the currie 4" lift? I'd like to model what I got first.

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So I deposited money today to get the parts ordered. I am doing the Savvy midarm upgrade, outboarding the rear shocks, a tummy tuck and some chromo axle shaft upgrades. Stuff adds up fast. Hopefully I will get it all done before spring, so I can do a lot of wheeling this summer!

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Been a while since I made an update, but the shops are all slammed. I got around to installing my Savvy rear LED lights and I am really quite impressed with them. They look great, OEMish but the build quality is another level and they don't protrude nearly as much.

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I installed a couple of rock lights from Procomp. The kit came with 6, but I only found logical places for 2 thus far, up front. Not sure where to put the ones near the rear and haven't thought about where to run the wiring.

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I wired up one of the little mini pod LED lights on my bumper but ran out of wire to do the other.

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Lastly I put a license plate holder and 3rd brake light that goes on the spare tire. Its Metalcloak like the tire carrier. It didn't come with any instructions but I did manage to find the instructions online. The wiring diagram on it is wrong compared to my wiring on my '02. I located the service manual and the wiring guide for the rear wiring cluster on the back passenger side. I managed to wire up the 3rd brake light but the license plate light still eludes me. It seems it should be the Black/Yellow wire and that is what I did but it doesn't come on with the lights.
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