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post #1 of 15 Old 09-07-2019, 07:40 AM Thread Starter
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HELP (YJ with trans and/or clutch problem)

I bought this jeep for my daughter a year and a half ago, my mechanic and I checked it out as best we could however apparently I still got the shaft, long story short we were told it had a new clutch and that it needed to be adjusted, my mechanic is not a jeep specialist however good he is so we only found minor and repairable things wrong with it at that time and I even drove it approx 60 miles back home with these little issues. So other than believing the new clutch just needed adjusting as 2nd gear scratched a little when shifting and rev randomly jumped out if you didn't hold the shifter down in reverse all the time you bae how to drive a manual now that we have stated into that phase of this endeavor we have discovered apparently the previous owners were LIARS the trans is in need of a rebuild the clutch is not new NOR is it the kind that can it be adjusted, Now I know its an 88 and actually love that fact not to mention I know older vehicles always seem to need something however what the previous owners failed to mention was that apparently, the knew it had these issues as I discovered the tranny has been barley bolted back in place which has caused starter issues, as well as release and throw out bearing issues now after someone apparently (I believe anyway) had issues had it checked and discovered it has the Pegeout trans in it and (again my opinion here) were told the same thing that Iwas and decided not event o attempt to reinstall the trans back correctly and to just get rid of it, that the pegeout trans was a pos and you cannot get parts to rebuild nor them a replacement of the same tranny that they are impossible to find and the other potion is to upgrade at an avg cost of 3500 to 4 k due to the extra cost of more labor and parts due to the spline difference. I paid cash 4 k for the jeep and borrowed some $ to buy her a new hard-top, full doors with roll-up windows as the jeep came only with half doors no uppers and a bikini top only, rear seat and seat belts, and to do some minor engine work such as tune-up new head gasket, and belts starter (control system parts of some kind according to my mechanic) clutch master cylinder etc. I still owe 4 k on it and do not have the almost 4 k to get the tranny replaced/upgraded to an ax15 kit. as the jeep still need tires and I am not putting her on the road every day without going thru the brake system completely also. So now I am a DA stuck paying $ 300 a month for a jeep we can't drive, which I can't get the extra money to repair and in the current state even after restoring the motor and having the rest of the jeep be in jam up mechanically shape cant sell for what's owed on it neither does she really want me to get rid of it. On top of all that she even asked me if I could mod the dash to move the single din radio to the center of the dash where the clock and gauges are now and allow it to fit a double din head then put in digital gauges to which I replied sure that would be nice for a yard ornament and reminded here if it doesn't roll that's a waste of time even if I could figure out the dash conversion lol. any thoughts suggestions or advice. Ps, we live in lower S Ga about 2 hours above Jax Fl for those asking. Thanks, Joe

So Found this last night

advanceadapters.com/products/27-3510ax15--ax15-retro-fit-kit-for-the-1987-89-wrangler-with-np231/[/url] $2400.00 plus shipping apx 360, plus labor and change 23 spline shaft etc to install and mis bearings while the transfer case is busted open for the shaft swap apx 1k according to my shop

or

ebay.com/itm/113866150290[/url] $1300.00 free shipping not sure waiting on seller to email me back if shaft/ transfer case has to be gone into on this one also so possibly 1 k more apx

and lastly this so far also

ebay.com/itm/Jeep-Wrangler-YJ-87-89-BA10-6-CYL-5-speed-Transmission-Peugeot-FREE-SHIPPING/113636129960[/url] $900.00 ext warranty of 1 year offered for apx $150. free shipping and seller says plug and play take my old out bolt this on and roll.

Please, guys ideas, suggestions, thoughts. I possibly could scrap up the 1k and may could the other 3 to 4 but as you can see the more $ the harder its going ot be to get and jeep still needs tires and brakes etc to be road safe/worthy for my child HELP please, thanks Joe

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post #2 of 15 Old 09-07-2019, 08:04 AM
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#1. STAY AWAY from EBAY
#2. The Advance kit is for the newer 3/4" pilot input, which also requires a different bearing on the crank end (about $9).
#3. Unsure if the clutch disc will swap over...it may.

While you can do cheaper, if you swap in an early (rebuilt) AX15 and hunt down all the associated parts yourself, the kit is the best way to go, unless, of course, you want to marry your jeep. Here's another source for reliable parts and info: https://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledg...s/manual/ax15/

DON'T get conversion parts from EBAY, Craigslist, or anywhere that you don't have a physical place to go back to with SOME KIND of fit warranty. It doesn't matter if EBAY gives you a 25 year warranty...DON'T go that route.

I recall that the early AX 15's had the same input as the BA-10 that you have, but you'll still have to scrounge associated parts to make the changeover. The Advance kit utilizes all of the better parts from over the years as well as the external slave and large diameter shaft, which the earlier models don't. If you could find an 88-91 donor that was scrap, but with a good tranny you could save about 2 grand...but you'd have the older style stuff and it's not the best for longevity and maintenance.

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post #3 of 15 Old 09-07-2019, 08:23 AM
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Money is an issue SO before we reengineer the jeep - you will have kept the BA/10 anyway SO why not give it a look see -what it needs
google is your friend - look for a repair manual, maybe a youtube tutorial - parts are not impossible to get alright some may be but you dont know - positive attitude, older rarer models this is part of the experience searching ... Autozone wont have it on the shelf.

https://www.morris4x4center.com/peug...ion-parts.html

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Show your daughter your DIY Skills and Don’t Rely on Anyone But Yourself. If you have a Mechanic for your Jeep, then you should not have a Jeep. You have Jeep Forum, maybe some Manuals, go find a Junkyard and Stop Blaming people for your Inabilities to Spot Problems as you buy something. Take Responsibility for where you are at Now...and Go ahead and ask questions...Sorry, but someone stepped on my Toe today, so I am channeling my own Fathers Response. Good Luck, and get dirty.


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Umm geez ok really helpful and nice to the new guy huh, I think I said I am in S Ga right didn't I far as I can tell the closest place that MIGHT and I mean according to Google and them by phone might have a donor jeep at a junk yard is 3 to 4 hours 1 way away and then they told me to be prepared to come look myself and if so be ready to pull it myself they offer no help which again if I DIDNT have heart issues wouldnt be a problem and had plenty of time but spemnding hours to find and pull a tranny drive 3 to 4 hours back and then it not to work or not fit is out of the question, and if I had an extra 3k plus there would not be an issue, 2. pretty sure even you guys had to start somewhere or did you fall out of the womb with a jeep logo across your butt and know all about jeeps at birth cause if not pretty sure you had to start to learn somewhere/somehow etc. oh and did I mention that while I am mechanically inclined my wheel house of expertise is in electroinics, pcs, and being an electrician which are my trade of choice, my mechanics are family but even then it takes time, a rack, and real estate in their shop so I compensate them just like they do me if I have to stop my day job to do something extra for them. The jeep was not my choice and did and yes i am unfortunately already married to it as i pretty sure I can't sell it for payoff as I am pretty sure a jeep that has tranny issues and won't crank cause some a$$hat couldn't even be bothered to bolt the trans back after deciding not to fix it and outright lying about what is wrong with it are issues that most people might miss if they are not jeep experts or so on as well as I am not going to lie to others about the issues I know about but then again being honest is a rarity these days as well as being polite, respectful and apparently civil is also as I can see seeking help on this forum was for naught as most responders have a GOD complex, oh well guess I am right where I thought I was before someone told me to try right here alone can't wait to show this to these wonderful helpful jeep guys who suggested it for advice and or help!
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I am confused - Weekends do thst.

Were we just chastised ? I thought my 2¢ post was reasonable - look and see what is wrong with current trans as it is coming out an extra 30 minutes on the bench. Added a link for parts and implied a positive attitude this is a CAN do. IDK

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The BA10 was one of the worst transmissions Jeep installed and were unreliable at best. Personally, if you have to keep it, have a local transmission shop rebuild it. You can save some money by doing the R&R and the clutch job yourself but you have somebody to go to if there are issues..



I would recommend you spend some time on the Novak website and see what your options are are what they have to offer.


https://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledg...ssions/manual/


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being polite, respectful and apparently civil is also as I can see seeking help on this forum was for naught as most responders have a GOD complex, oh well guess I am right where I thought I was before someone told me to try right here alone can't wait to show this to these wonderful helpful jeep guys who suggested it for advice and or help!

A couple of hints to help in the future.


Keep your posts to pertinent, relevant information. The shorter the better. This helps us collate the relative information without having to sort through the post.



List the vehicle make model, and year at the start of your post.


Keep the rant to last. We understand you're frustrated (I think everybody has been through this at one point or another).



Thicken up your skin. MikeDeezy's post was a bit straightforward, but not rude or condescending.


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ok I do talk/type a lot esp when angry so the long post was to give you background on the jeep and situation as I feel helpless I sure some of you understand that and that money is an issue when you are medically retired at no fault of your own which leaves you angry too also this is the first time I have ever posted in a forum so please understand.

I was told by my uncle who is a Korean vet with a large automotive shop and has worked on jeeps since he can remember has never run into one like this with a Puegout tranny, so again he told me to ask as I would get help on here. But as far as the some of the "help" it was pretty rude and condescending, I did say I was new to jeeps so I was P.O.d that I was told I would get help he but it seemed when I asked for help/advice I was treated like an imbecile, and as far as thick skin why should I have to automatically expect tho harden myself when we should be willing to help others, being nice should be the norm not for me to expect to have to thicken my skin in a forum designed to ask for help.

Pulling the tranny as suggested would be ideal but again if I use the shop in any way during business hours I pay (yes a very discounted rate but extra money I don't have also so I am trying to do it right with what resources I had) as I am taking up shop help, shop time, a lift, and a bench etc, I can use the shop after hours at no cost however only if I bring my own help, there is a bench, tranny jack, a lift is available, and I can be out of the way completely by opening time the next day. Now my brother would help at no charge if the other issues would fall in place I am sure even though we can pull and assess the tranny from a Friday to Sunday night I do feel bad asking for his help as he vet raising 2 kids on his own working 2 jobs and starting school too. See even if a lift, jack, and maybe a bench was available on a Friday night the way it looks we would have to drop it check it then replace back in the jeep then roll the jeep back out by 6 am on the next Monday, if parts are available then get them, pray the lift, jack, and all falls into place again, roll jeep back on the rack get the tranny out again "fix" etc or whatever then if we are not done it this same circus get the jeep mova\ble and roll it off the lift and back out and repeat until we get done if ever.

I was asking for advice about it due to the mountains in the way there has to be a way around them that I can afford/do is all the eBay option was the most reasonable money wis within my reach and square trade will warranty it for a year which is MUCh better than one shop I found yesterday wo gave a 30 day on parts only it is a very reputable shop but apparently they don't trust these trannys.
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Sounds like you’re in a tough spot and I feel for you buddy. Jeeps can get expensive in a hurry as you are finding out. I think if I were in your position I would roll the dice on the eBay tranny. That’s just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. Please don’t give up on the Forum. There’s tons of great info on here. Keep us posted on how it goes.
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From my own experience, pulling things apart generally results in finding other things that need replacement. I wouldn't suggest backing yourself into a deadline corner for a number of reasons: You are unfamiliar with what you're doing; you don't know what parts are going to be required; you have limited time to adjust to things on the fly; and a weekend is no time to be scrounging for a parts delivery.

One of the problems with being in a hurry, is that you wind up doing things over again because you 'cut corners' the first time. That's part of the learning curve, but it costs. I've had mixed results with online/used purchases. If you go the Ebay route, you may want to use your credit in case the seller turns out to be a problem.
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Welcome to the world of Jeep. 2 years ago I got rid of my YJ and promised NEVER to spend another damn dime on another YJ again. My 4th YJ is now currently spread out between 2 garage floors and a barn. This one is going to be a keeper.
Some of great things about Jeeps is that they’re easy to work on and there’s a buttload of information about how to fix them. If you have basic mechanical abilities and some tools you can fix a YJ.
If you do have a BA/10 (should have SIMI or 3.283 stamped on it somewhere) it’s a terrible transmission. Jeep only used them for a little over a year. The AX15 is a really good transmission and it’s not uncommon to find a good one if you search. Jeep put AX15s in YJs and XJs (Cherokee) and they produced about 3 million of those vehicles. Try contacting some local Jeep clubs or vist some Jeep show swap meets. You might have to travel but that trans will last a long time. I’d forget the adapter, and just start over with the stronger more reliable AX15. On the bright side, being down south you probably don’t have the frame rot issues like we have up here in the north.
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Ok, going off what I get from post to start with above the rant is last even though it not really a rant this time.

So if my little mind can wrap around it you like me feel that 1. the used/rebuilds off online is going to be a 50 to 75% gamble whether I get the 90 day seller warranty and 1 year square trade whether I do the 1500.00 or if I could even find 4000.00 to get that one, 2. IF I could find the 3-4K the used/rebuilt BA-15 with the conversion kit would be the best choice and be less likely to have an issue with later over the used/rebuilt BA-10 bolt-on turn key swap, 3. and don't try to do the swap myself in the shop with the time constraint hanging over my head as I will undoubtedly run into an issue apparently there is a little known clause to Murphy's law called Joe's clause which guarantees to the 10 power the fact that I am going to get it in the rear without a kiss at the end!

Thank you for the helpful posts I am glad I decided to just glance back at this post one more time before closing this forum account, again thank you. Unfortunately I don't think in our are of ga (we are VERY rural) that we have much in the way of a jeep clubs or help like that that I am aware of other than a few jeep guys who are usually willing to be helpful as I stated we have called junkyards and salvage places and even visited any local (within an hour drive of our home) for possibilities the few that had jeep bones said they have awaiting list of people seeking parts and they go down it when one rolls into the lot then they either strip any good parts left to sale or others they call are there quick to do that. Even at that none had even remembered any with any donor trannies that would be bolt-on turn-key compatible. The few that knew about the Ba 10 issues said to swap if I could one even told us the last time he messed with a Pegeout that by the end of him trying to rebuild it his thoughts were damn the cheese let me out of the trap and sold the vehicle. At this point, if I could I might even do that again if wish in one had yada yada.

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You are right on it being easier to work on or with it is much easier than my 82 chevy Scottsdale which I rebuilt it from the ground up, what I have been able to do to this 88 jeep it's like a big Tonka Toy my brother said when working on it. I never would have liked personally for me a 4x4 jeep as I am or was actually a speed demon in my 82 Scottsdale I ended up installing a power plant of a 350 and power train all the way to the rear end that could handle and put that power to the blacktop and heavy as those things are I was clocked at 100 by a GSP in Highschool and still had plenty of pedal to go that even the GSP looked under the hood. Now after driving this 4x4 Jeep I really like it if not for the tranny issue and the fact that Murphy's law + Joe's clause and I ended up with the worst tranny the used in them, I mean my uncle is 80 and has been a mechanic his whole life and had this shop since coming home from the Koren war said in all his years working on vehicle esp Jeeps which he likes himself and he has worked on a lot of them had never seen or heard of the Pegeout trannies until mine. I have no issue putting money along and along as needed in an older vehicle to upgrade and upkeep it, it just blew my mind that after a year of searching etc that these trannies are so terrible, you can't find any of them or parts to rebuild them so that they can be upgraded to get away from the ba 10 OEM issue; however the ax15 and the ba5 are readily available to get parts for &/or to find whole trannies for.
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It seems like you were getting 'offended', but your last post just validated most of the everyone's comments that have been made. I don't always 'like' the way some address concerns, but I respect and value experience. All I worry about on here is whether or not the advice is 'on target' and useful.

Most of us here have gone down the 'rabbit hole' at least once, to our great regret. Pointing out that you're on the edge of one, and about to fall in, may come across as paternalistic but most of us have 'been there, done that'.
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My new to me YJ needs a trans. I knew that when I bought it. I'm actually looking at a complete rebuilt trans from RockAuto. $600 core.


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