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post #1 of 18 Old 09-17-2019, 10:19 AM Thread Starter
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Value of what is essentially just a GREAT XJ body

I have have a 1999 XJ that I bought ostensibly, In very good shape and Mechanically sound.. 134K miles.
Well the only accurate part is the body and the paint etc. ARE in fantastic shape with absolutely 0 rust.

That is where it ends, Tranny roasted, had low fluid, 2 quarts Black trans fluid, engine run without coolant Dry for 110 miles, radiator clogged, Mirrors don't work electrically, , overhead display dead, (Limited edition jeep) throws codes but no check engine light. drivers window regulator stripped, passenger window cocks on opening. Lots of issues...

So what is a Fantastic XJ body worth, cause that's what I got.
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post #2 of 18 Old 09-17-2019, 10:31 AM
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It's gotta be a matter of love, or you'll never finish it to reap the benefits of your investment. Just write down the problems on a bunch of sticky notes, then put them in order of importance. And off ya go, one project at a time.

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Make a list of everything it needs and price things out accordingly. If you truly love that particular rig, a little time and money can go a long way to make it your dream rig Think of it this way, your options are wide open now with needing to replace things anyway

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Unless that 4.0 is locked up or so warped from overheating I bet it can be repaired, in a garage by a guy with the right tools and patience.

If it will start, put a can of sea foam in the oil and let it run. Drain and put a new filter on it. Repeat. You will likely uncover some leaks doing this. Rear main seal, etc. (At least the oil is black and not a milk shake.)
Tranny I bet you can drain, clean the pan, and flush the whole system. Keep draining and flushing with fresh tranny fluid until it stays cherry red. Add a spin on filter to catch junk. Replace filter after 1000 miles or so with a new one.
Change the thermostat and flush the cooling system and heater core or flush then change the thermostat, whatever the proper order is.

The 4.0 is a robust engine more akin to a tractor engine than anything else. They are tough but can overheat.

Get the fluids sorted out and as long as you don't have a cracked head or warped block or head I bet it will be fine. Just take some time and many flushes and filter changes.
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So what is a Fantastic XJ body worth, cause that's what I got.

Do a KKB report and check out the usual place you find XJ's for sale. Subtract the retail cost of used parts and install labor for the repairs.

Around here good used 150,000 mile motors are $3-500 and good used AW-4 with a 90 day warranty are $150-250. You could be on the road for not much and work on getting the busted junk rebuilt, or just sell it as a good runner.

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It’s worth whatever someone is willing to pay. Ideally you would already have an excellent running, driving, lifted, modded, but ROTTED/wrecked one sitting there just waiting for a decent shell to transfer everything over to. Mighty Car Mods loves doing this. To do it right is lots of work but pretty fun and you’d have a well sorted rig.

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If you don't want to fix it, part it out on your local craigslist or ebay.

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Yeah, how much for it, and where are you? I'm in the market for a project.

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KBB has been a pain to look up used cars last time I tried to use it. Yours in good running condition would probably fetch around $5,000, possibly more. As a body only, rust free, I'd say $800 to $1200. Also, what is the interior like?
A lot of the cost for people is the cost of taking out and putting in a trans or engine. About $800 for the engine possibly more. I'd say the same for the trans. Some XJs or even other vehicles go to the PnP or Salvage yards because the cost of replacing an engine or trans is about $3,000. I would say you could pick up a used 4.0L for about $300 to $500. The trans about $100 to $200. I did do a search for a trans in WY from your last thread. There was one in WY for $2,000 rebuilt on Car-Parts Inc. In OR and WA a lot better picks.
OK, lets get to the trans. Is it bad or just needs some electrical work? First, yes check the fluid level. First check it not running. The level should be way above the fill level, about the first Z bend. Then start the vehicle. With it in neutral, check the fluid. Did the level drop? Drop to in specs? That good if so. It means the pump is working. If not, then bad, pump not working, needs replaced. If pump is working, unplug the Transmission Control Unit (TCU). Its on the trans tunnel, up by the radio on the drivers side. Drive it like a manual. shifting the 'gears'. You will not have trans kick down. So, brake to slow down to appropriate speed level to shift. Yes, I'd also do a fluids change, also a filter change.
The motor, does it lose coolant? What's the compression on the cylinders? The coolant could be warped or cracked head. Or water pump, radiator, radiator cap etc. Black oil is not the death of an engine. Some of the synthetics change black quick. So, I think you need to trace down the issues and see if it is repairable.
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KBB has been a pain to look up used cars last time I tried to use it. Yours in good running condition would probably fetch around $5,000, possibly more. As a body only, rust free, I'd say $800 to $1200. Also, what is the interior like?
A lot of the cost for people is the cost of taking out and putting in a trans or engine. About $800 for the engine possibly more. I'd say the same for the trans. Some XJs or even other vehicles go to the PnP or Salvage yards because the cost of replacing an engine or trans is about $3,000. I would say you could pick up a used 4.0L for about $300 to $500. The trans about $100 to $200. I did do a search for a trans in WY from your last thread. There was one in WY for $2,000 rebuilt on Car-Parts Inc. In OR and WA a lot better picks.
OK, lets get to the trans. Is it bad or just needs some electrical work? First, yes check the fluid level. First check it not running. The level should be way above the fill level, about the first Z bend. Then start the vehicle. With it in neutral, check the fluid. Did the level drop? Drop to in specs? That good if so. It means the pump is working. If not, then bad, pump not working, needs replaced. If pump is working, unplug the Transmission Control Unit (TCU). Its on the trans tunnel, up by the radio on the drivers side. Drive it like a manual. shifting the 'gears'. You will not have trans kick down. So, brake to slow down to appropriate speed level to shift. Yes, I'd also do a fluids change, also a filter change.
The motor, does it lose coolant? What's the compression on the cylinders? The coolant could be warped or cracked head. Or water pump, radiator, radiator cap etc. Black oil is not the death of an engine. Some of the synthetics change black quick. So, I think you need to trace down the issues and see if it is repairable.
The vehicle arrived on a truck, I didn't start it, trucker did, on start it rolled black smoke. I found it had 0 coolant, compression just only enough to barely run. its hatched, the Tranny had less than 2 quarts in it and reeked of burnt fluid and was black,Sot it was gone too. I paid 5500.00 for it + shipping.
I found a whole engine, tranny, transfer case and am having that shipped as one piece, I am thinking I will install as one piece too, though I don't quite know how that will go.Knowledgeable thoughts on this welcome.

This was advertised and runs great and mechanically sound. I am not happy about that at all. I am in a bind as I was just going to do an old man emu suspension and have it for a jeep this winter as I get lots of snow and am very isolated. See my avatar, I am NOT out wheeling, I am coming home and I am on my road, I had got it plowed that morning but the wind came up before I got back home. That's my old jeep with over 300 K before the kid wrecked it, I the bought current one under discussion, to replace it. I got to demand some money back from the seller, I just wonder how much. I am thinking 3K-3500.

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For sale is a 1999 Jeep Cherokee Classic with 133,856 original miles on the clock.
Powered by an I6 4.0 liter engine, automatic transmission and 4x4.
Limited package includes leather seats, power everything, over head councel, cruise control, roof racks, alloy wheels and more.
She runs and drives great! There are zero warning lights on the dash, recently had some service done which includes; a fresh oil change, new shocks (all around,) new stabilizer bushings, brand new fuel pump and a new battery. Brakes have good amount of meat left, tires have plenty of thread, but unfortunately show some signs of minor dry rot. Mechanically sound from the engine to the transmission. She pulls strong and shifts good through every gear, 4x4 works as it should. The ride is as you would expect from a Jeep, suspension feels good without any unusual noises or rattles.
The exterior is in good condition especially for a vehicle that is 20 years old. She is one of those rare Jeeps where she is completely rot and rust free, there is minimum-if any surface rust. All original floor panels and running boards. The paint is in good condition, you may find some minor nics, dings and imperfections that you would expect from a vehicle of this age. There is some scratches and some paint imperfection on the front bumper and the lower part of the left front door has two mellow dents (visible in picture 6.) The interior is in good/fair condition, the ceiling does not sag, and all interior features work as they should. Minor wear and tear is visible such as some stains on the carpet, minor cracking in the leather of the drivers seat, and some plastics have scuffs etc. I also have noticed the automatic door lock isnt engaging the locks, makes a sound but doesnt transfer to the lock, locks work individualy just fine. Over-all she is in great conditon inside and out. Its not easy to find these XJ's in good condition without lift kits or rust, dont miss out on this one.
I have two sets of original keys, owners manual, spare and matts.
I went over most of the important basics of the vehicle and summed up as much as I can without it being a lot to read. Please feel free to shoot me any questions about this Jeep, on my phone number provided below. Test rides are more then welcome and please feel free to bring a mechanic if you would like.
I am also willing to drive the Jeep with 10 miles of 32137 to any service station of your choice to have it inspected (at buyers cost.) I am also okay with meeting a transporter if you are looking to have her shipped (at buyers cost.)


Please keep in mind this is a vehicle that is over 20 years old, it will have minor imperfections and flaws, though I have described the Jeep to best of my knowledge, there is a chance I may have missed something unintentionally, if you are unsure of something, please ask away. This vehicle will be SOLD AS-IS/WHERE IS, no warranty given or implied.
Please do your homework and have your funds squared away PRIOR to bidding.

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Oh wow....was it sold to you as running/driving?? That’s a lotta cake for a roller.

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The vehicle arrived on a truck, I didn't start it, trucker did, on start it rolled black smoke. I found it had 0 coolant, compression just only enough to barely run. its hatched, the Tranny had less than 2 quarts in it and reeked of burnt fluid and was black,Sot it was gone too. I paid 5500.00 for it + shipping.
I found a whole engine, tranny, transfer case and am having that shipped as one piece, I am thinking I will install as one piece too, though I don't quite know how that will go.Knowledgeable thoughts on this welcome.

This was advertised and runs great and mechanically sound. I am not happy about that at all. I am in a bind as I was just going to do an old man emu suspension and have it for a jeep this winter as I get lots of snow and am very isolated. See my avatar, I am NOT out wheeling, I am coming home and I am on my road, I had got it plowed that morning but the wind came up before I got back home. That's my old jeep with over 300 K before the kid wrecked it, I the bought current one under discussion, to replace it. I got to demand some money back from the seller, I just wonder how much. I am thinking 3K-3500.
Ouch, what was shipping? The cost of running and not running is a lot of money. Many would say I am generous in my pricing. What was shipping? I'd be the seller can refund the total cost and go from there. Let's say its worth $1000. I'd be asking $4K back. And I'd be generous at that. Yeah, we all probably had those experiences. Went to buy an XJ, about 2.5 hours away. Told not running and no title, but excellent shape. Some surface rust. Interior smelled bad and grimy. Cost of friend with trailer and gas. Not happy.
I llike to install engine and trans as one piece. Take out the radiator, and front pieces.
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Ouch, what was shipping? The cost of running and not running is a lot of money. Many would say I am generous in my pricing. What was shipping? I'd be the seller can refund the total cost and go from there. Let's say its worth $1000. I'd be asking $4K back. And I'd be generous at that. Yeah, we all probably had those experiences. Went to buy an XJ, about 2.5 hours away. Told not running and no title, but excellent shape. Some surface rust. Interior smelled bad and grimy. Cost of friend with trailer and gas. Not happy.
I like to install engine and trans as one piece. Take out the radiator, and front pieces.
1300.00 Florida to Wyoming.
Though I am not new here I lost my log in data when I had to switch computers and I had to re register so I cant post photos yet. But I did do a video 2 days after I got it. Arrived Friday night I did this on Sunday.
This is BEFORE I found out there was 0 coolant and compression was basically nothing and the engine damaged beyond reasonable repair. https://photos.app.goo.gl/V6vrFXMjHbfvpVQn7
I got focused on the Trans and didn't go beyond that at the point of making this video.

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I didn't notice the Ad in post 10. You state an Auction price. Is there a resolution center for that site? I'd think this is fraud. Come pick up your Heep. All money including shipping cost comes back.
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I didn't notice the Ad in post 10. You state an Auction price. Is there a resolution center for that site? I'd think this is fraud. Come pick up your Heep. All money including shipping cost comes back.
Well at this point I am going to fix it. and force money out of the guy by courts if ness. I had ordered a bunch of parts BEFORE it arrived and now I have them here, and I am outta time snow will soon be upon me.
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