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post #1 of 10 Old 01-18-2020, 05:23 PM Thread Starter
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Fully Built New 2019 JL Rubicon from Dealer ?

Thinking of getting a JL Wrangler, I had a 2000 GC bought used in 2001 and owned until 2018. I learned so much from the WJ JeepForum here and became a DIY'er because of the helpful threads.
Now thinking of a JL, I've been casually searching in the Denver area and this one has really caught my eye. I've been talking to the salesperson for the last couple weeks. It's a fully built 2019. Being in Denver I have a lot of options for aftermarket parts if I were to buy a new or used JL and then customize it myself, there are 3 4-Wheel Parts locations around me and many independent Jeep Specialists
My question is what price would you think is reasonable for this one, it's already marked down $5K to $70K and he sent me an offer today of $68K by text.
I think I could get if for $66K with a little negotiation or I am much better off buying a New or Certified Rubicon or Sahara for about $53K and then customizing myself ?

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post #2 of 10 Old 01-18-2020, 05:26 PM
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“Fully Built” is subjective.

But what is a fact is that the cost on those upgrades is highway robbery.
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You will pay full retail for the added parts, and Dealership shop labor rates for the install.

You can do better for less.

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“Fully Built” is subjective.

But what is a fact is that the cost on those upgrades is highway robbery.
True, but with these options I would say it's 'Fully Built' :

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37's - Toyo M/T
Metal bumpers: Front Bumper w/ wench and Rear Bumper w/ hinge swingout
Sliders

I know there are other options but this is a good start.
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post #5 of 10 Old 01-19-2020, 09:48 AM
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for what? 37s as a DD tends to kill performance and mpg. fully built talking bolt on parts here so not much is built, just bought.

issues with 37s street. can be from issues with balance. Jeeps must be well balanced tires or you will learn about wobbles or as the new gen call is it death wobble. Wear on parts is much faster. If the Jls ball joints are same type as the JKs. Ball joints will be a wear item 20-40k or sooner if used off road.

Jl steering is Electric and I have no idea how well that works on real trails where a Rubicon and 37s locked or dont go. I do know for fact a Jks power steering on 37s is way to week and was even so on 35s. So the Jl off road to know that i would have to see one doing it on trails i know. Jks since they have the same type power steering people have had for generations the ways to improve it, many. The JL? I would bet that Electric box is expensive stock. My JKR has the Psc steering box to work off road on 37s. The stock steering on locked 37 turning into boulders was not happening, over heats the pump they start to puke, whine and then die. That happens to just 35s.......Though I wont see a JL on hard trails here. Heck i hardly see Jks. Might be do to hard trails here tends to mean body damage as the trail can be real tight twisty rock washes. getting into the sides here is the main issue so i always recommend rear body armor that has a rub bar. They dont make that for JKs or JLs you have to BUILD it. means its not bolt on dont come in a box. you buy the steal and build it, or pay someone that can make a one of for you.

I would not go over 35s for a Suv/jeep for street. the 3.6 works hard enough pushing that 3 tons. How well the JLs stop 37s at free way speeds? Jks you loose a lot of stopping distance. So big brakes for street?

My jkr is on 37s its not a DD. The wifes much larger SUV is on 35s. it could push 37s has the gears and power too and it has 1 ton axles full floaters and weighs in at 4 tons. But it has 35s for same reasons above. My f250 has 33s

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post #6 of 10 Old 01-19-2020, 05:53 PM
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$75k Wrangler? That is crazy-talk.

OP - If you really want what a Rubicon offers you'll also want to wrench on it. Buy a stocker (new or lightly used) and do the upgrades yourself.

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I agree with doing it yourself.
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post #8 of 10 Old 01-23-2020, 10:21 AM
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That's not fully built. It has a few things that are way overpriced. Depending on who's lift they installed, it could be a solid foundation or it could need to be trashed and redone.

It's built enough to look good, depending on what your planned usage really defines "Fully biult".

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$4300 for wheels and tires? What kind of credit for the brand new take-offs?
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post #10 of 10 Old 01-31-2020, 05:22 AM
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Yeah, you should buy stock and upgrade it yourself since it'll be less expensive. But if you don't want hassle then buy the fully built on the dealership
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