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Are these really ZJ parts?

I have a 97 ZJ which I bought off my son when he joined the navy. When he had it he complained about a noise from the rear end somewhere. He took it to a local repair shop that milked him out of 3500 bucks I think? Something like that, but the noise still remained. The rear was supposedly rebuilt (It was not). Then transmission work was done. ( I don't believe that was done either since I replaced a broken accumulator spring and did a band adjustment a few months ago). They also charged him for a fuel pump replacement (for a no start) and it still has an intermittent fuel gauge. So while they where supposedly doing transmission work they sent my son these pics and said the parts were worn and should be replaced. So my question is, are these parts from my 97 4.0 zj, what are they, or are they just random parts that this shop just had laying around?

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post #2 of 14 Old 08-14-2020, 09:16 AM
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Looks like a clutch basket and a band.
Can you go to the shop in person?

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Those generally look like torqueflite parts, so they could be from a ZJ.

Or they could be from damn near any mopar automatic in the last 40 years . . .


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Uhhh... I'm pretty sure that drum is a 4L60E drum. AFAIK only the 4L60E and 4L80E use load springs in the clutch like that. See picture below.

The hub doesn't match anything I remember from rebuilding my 42RE. Doesn't match anything on the exploded views I have either.

The band doesn't look right either. All the 42RE bands I've seen with the three pads are cast iron. The sheet steel bands have two pads with holes in the center. Not that maybe there are aftermarket bands that are different. I'm no expert.

I'd say I'm 90% sure those are random parts.
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post #5 of 14 Old 08-14-2020, 11:28 AM
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None of the 42-48RH/RE drums look like that, zjosh probably has it pretty close about the 4LxE judging by the pictures.
Brake band looks chrysler(ish), but they usually are cast iron (rear band) or thin sheetmetal with slots (look at the picture below; 46RE parts showing).
Rightmost picture doesn't look like a 42-48 part either.


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That's a 4L60E band too. See pic below.

Still no idea on the hub.
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No way are those ZJ trans parts. That drum especially looks like a Chevy unit.

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Well it has a 42re trany and I'm not surprised. I am in MD and this mechanic is in Georgia I think. I will get his name and post it up in a bit for those of you not looking get robbed in GA. Not only that but he had the jeep for over a month
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I just talked to my son. It is Jasons Auto Repair in Aiken South Carolina. This is just on the boarder of GA and SC. These "repairs" happened a year and a half ago. Apparently he is being taken to court by some unhappy customers from about that time period. Its really crappy that this piece of crap would take advantage of a young 20 year old like that. The worst part is my son picked the vehicle up at night and there was supposed to a receipt for the work done in the vehicle but there was not. Not much I can do about except maybe drive the 11 hrs there and kick him repeatedly in the junk.
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If youre taking apart a transmission wouldnt you replace the band anyway? Why take a pic and send it saying it needs to be replaced?

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If youre taking apart a transmission wouldnt you replace the band anyway? Why take a pic and send it saying it needs to be replaced?
Shady shops and some people do really weird things, cutting corners where it shouldn't be done.
A shop asking about band replacement and showing pictures of incorrect transmission parts, is one that has zero knowledge in automatic transmission repairs or any kind of trustworthiness.

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Shady shops and some people do really weird things, cutting corners where it shouldn't be done.
A shop asking about band replacement and showing pictures of incorrect transmission parts, is one that has zero knowledge in automatic transmission repairs or any kind of trustworthiness.
Its easy to take advantage of a young inexperienced person. I ran a garage / service center for about 6 months when I retired from the navy. Its not thing for me. I'm not a good sales person. I'm not good at lying and I just cant do that to people. The worst part is that while I was there a BMW came in that I did not want there because we did not have a mechanic that was experienced on them. It came in while I was off. So our young guy jumps on it and fries the control module that is in the dash board. He tried to jump power to the fuel pump. He didn't tell me about it right away, he just said we didn't have the right scanner or something. So we sent it to a BMW shop, next day the owner is screaming at me because we fried a $800 part. So my mechanic admitted what he did and we paid for it. Now Im not a real mechanic but I can fix about anything. Especially with you guys here and you tube. This is my second ZJ my first was a 94 and had some really bad rust. I'm afraid of transmissions but I did a little work on this one. I once rebuilt a Chevy rear and It came apart about 5000 miles later. (before you tube)
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Shady shops and some people do really weird things, cutting corners where it shouldn't be done.
A shop asking about band replacement and showing pictures of incorrect transmission parts, is one that has zero knowledge in automatic transmission repairs or any kind of trustworthiness.
I've rebuilt oh maybe eight automatic transmissions and every single one of them needed different select fit washers or thrust bearings somewhere. I'm 99% certain that transmission shops just pull them down, put in new seals and clutch packs and throw them back together on the hope that the new parts will be close enough to the old that everything will work okay. In other words, cutting corners is a way of life for them.

Check out Precision Transmission's videos on YouTube. He goes a lot into what the previous shops did wrong.

I wasn't going to mention but that band isn't really that worn out. And, yes, you should replace bands out of hand when you have it apart. The fact that most rebuild kits do not come with bands or at least not all the bands kinda speaks to how that industry works.
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I bought every single selectable washer, snapring and spacer when I ordered the parts for the 46RE I rebuilt. Now I have a pretty good selection when I rebuild the 46RE from my own 5.9


Automatic rebuild is not the job where corners should be cut. It is a precision job.

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