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post #1 of 18 Old 02-26-2020, 09:44 AM Thread Starter
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Steering Box

Need to replace my box, it is currently a reman but I had death wobble that beat it up. The adjustment trick doesn't work anymore either. (death wobble is cured) Considering an ACDELCO reman box, wondering if anyone has any experience with one, or another reman that is reliable. Not interested in a new box, rather save the money for a brace.
Part of me feels like "these boxes are always bad" due to incorrect installation/lack of system bleed etc. so ill give the reman one more shot.

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post #2 of 18 Old 02-26-2020, 11:09 AM
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Remanufactured boxes are often junk, because all they do is replace the seals and bearings, paint it up and with luck might adjust it properly.
However, no internal hard parts are replaced like worm gear, rack piston or sector shaft - so the parts that cause the sloppy steering are still there.


The ONLY way to reliably get a good box is to buy a new Crown or PSC steering box. Reman boxes are a crapshoot where you often end up with just as bad a box you already had.

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Crown would be optimal. Got skeptic when I heard of people getting bad crown units, and the thought of mail order warranty sounds frustrating, but then thats where I thought maybe it was bad install. I entertained the idea of rebuilding it myself to buy some time, but it doesn't seem economical. Might just have to go the crown route and hold off on the brace.
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I'm a Crown dealer. Bad components are rare but I have a very close relationship with them. If something does go bad under warranty, they send out a replacement. No need to return the old one.

If I can assist, please PM me here on the forum or email me at [email protected]
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Thanks Kolak, Ill get in touch.
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Also, if you want to do an easy bolt in upgrade you can go with a Durango steering box. I went through 2 bad remans (sloppy output shaft) and decided to get a Durango box from the junkyard. Or a new Durango box if the junkyard isnít your thing. Bolt in and has been working great for 3 years(ish) now. Just a thought, good luck!


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Another thing, remans generally are bad about half the time, especially in dodges and jeeps from my experience. Put a lot of those things in and your usually doing it again a year later


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The durango box is hardly an upgrade for the ZJ. It's a slower ratio box than stock.
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I would go with either a redhead or bluetop. PSC is good but expensive. Remans are usually junk. I run a redhead on my ZJ and PSC on JK.
Edit: I also would highly recommend a box brace. It makes any boxís life span longer. I went with an Ironman4x4fab brace


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To each their own, I personally didnít want to spend hundreds on a new box so I took the Durango option paired with a brace. Between the other stock zjs and xjs in my family I canít tell much of a difference in turning speed from mine besides it turning 33s


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To each their own, I personally didnít want to spend hundreds on a new box so I took the Durango option paired with a brace. Between the other stock zjs and xjs in my family I canít tell much of a difference in turning speed from mine besides it turning 33s

A used steering box is a used steering box, it isn't any better than the XJ/ZJ/TJ boxes.
Slower ratio gives you a bit more oomph to turn the tires and more precision when on the trails, but it's not as good on the road. I don't remember if the Dodge steering box version with the bigger piston has a fixed ratio or variable ratio, ZJ boxes use variable ratio steering which is way better for road use than a slow fixed ratio.

It is true that occasionally ZJ PS pump + steering box setup will lack power to turn 33" or larger tires when wheeling. However, it is not that common and the good thing is you notice when the tires are binding so you don't break steering/ suspension parts - or the uniframe.

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Like I said, it is an option for the OP as he specifically said he would like to buy a brace with his money as well. Just have to try to find one, whether it be a zj or Durango box, that has lower miles and check the output shaft for play.
Is the JY the best option? Not really. Is it a budget option? Absolutely.


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Thanks guys. I was planning for the iron man brace, also no plans for bigger than 31's so stock replacement is fine. Considering I'd like to not do this again for as long as possible i'll probably just get a new one despite the budget plan, it just makes more sense. After all, this is one of the last things it needs at this point. (For now)
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Like I said, it is an option for the OP as he specifically said he would like to buy a brace with his money as well. Just have to try to find one, whether it be a zj or Durango box, that has lower miles and check the output shaft for play.

Shaft play doesn't have much to do with how the rack piston and sector shaft teeth have worn. They can be in absolutely perfect condition, but the bearings have failed and/ or adjustment has gone out-of-spec. and you've got play in the input and output.

I'd start with adjusting the original steering box, if it comes out OK then order a rebuild kit and do it yourself. That way you actually know what you're getting, instead of gambling if one of the reman junk boxes out of ten is good.

I've rebuilt three Jeep steering boxes, they all came out to be very good even though the starting point was a sloppy, leaky box with either input or output shaft play. That being said, I'm not 100% satisfied with my current ZJ box after having beaten it for almost ten years on the trails. I'll go with a new Crown unit at some point, I will definitely NOT be buying a reman junk. Why? Because I know I will never get one that is better than my current one. If I was looking for a reman, I'd much rather hit the junkyards and find one that feels the best and rebuild that..




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I have adjusted it I think 3-4 times in less than 1500 miles. It just gets loose again, I have had a "slow-motion" shake a couple times. I wouldn't call it death wobble but I can feel a vibration that wants to get out of hand. I believe most of if not all the play is on the input, I can twist the steering shaft maybe an inch in either direction, steering wheel moves but nothing under the box does.
I wasn't sure if adjusting the box anymore was even going to help. It also didn't leak until the 2nd time I loosened the adjustment screw.
Wasn't sure about the rebuild kits but I'm not opposed. Haven't looked much actually.
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