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post #1 of 32 Old 10-13-2019, 03:46 PM Thread Starter
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Help ID an older lift

Hey all I bought a 98 ZJ 5.9 as a parts truck. It has a lift on it looks like lift springs + small spacers to me... Has control arm drop brackets too. Its on 33x 12.5s and measures about 19" to the crease on the unibody compared to my other ZJ that measures 14" on 30s stock. Wondering if anyone can help ID the lift and help me determine if its worth reusing.

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Hey all I bought a 98 ZJ 5.9 as a parts truck. It has a lift on it looks like lift springs + small spacers to me... Has control arm drop brackets too. Its on 33x 12.5s and measures about 19" to the crease on the unibody compared to my other ZJ that measures 14" on 30s stock. Wondering if anyone can help ID the lift and help me determine if its worth reusing.

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Most of that looks pretty rusty. Based on the surface deformation of the springs (at least what I can see) I'm not sure I would want to reuse that. Sad as those are likely Old Man Emu springs. I asked about the control arm drop on here once before and I was advised against it though I dont remember the reason given.

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I think the rust on the springs is just scaly surface rust that I could take care of with a wire wheel, same with the drop brackets. The drop brackets do seem quite solid too, they go all the way back to the transmission crossmember and bolt through that. Keep in mind Im in Ontario Canada and these things see salt on the roads. I found that the bumper is from 2012 and imagine the rest of the lift is about the same age. The rust on the shocks bothers me the most.

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Are those good quality lifts? Ive never heard of them

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Are those good quality lifts? Ive never heard of them

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Old Man Emu products are legendary. There was a time when OME was THE product to have.

As for the RRO products they arent bad. About 2 years ago I put a set of their roof rails on my dad's WK.

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Ok I guess it would be the OME springs + spacers, since Im pretty sure OME are only a 2" lift with the springs right? Id be planning on reusing all this after cleaning up/painting and adding adjustable control arms. Right now the wheels are way off center in the wheel wells

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Did a bit of looking around with the rocky road outfitters stuff and I think this is the lift. https://www.rocky-road.com/zj-lift-kit.html The 3.5 OME with the front springs sent to the back and spacers to make it 4.5" they just didnt get the adjustable control arms so thats why the 33x12.5 had clearance problems

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Interesting been interested in those drop brackets and seeing this might be more interested.
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Drop brackets are a great way to lose chassis clearance. Just get a basic long arm setup like IROs and you will be better off.

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Drop brackets are a great way to lose chassis clearance. Just get a basic long arm setup like IROs and you will be better off.

800 for drop brackets and arms
1200+ for 3 link long arm


The amount of ground clearance lost is negligible unless your rock crawling. For most people drop brackets and short arms work fine
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Don't need to rock crawl to drag the bottom of these rigs, The longer wheelbase allows for dragging the bottom on washboards and relatively mild trails. I would NEVER recommend drop brackets. And you can get the IRO CP kit (front) for like $600 and add quality springs and shocks for a bit more. WAY better setup for even the mild trails most traverse.

"Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum"

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...We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. ...I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post...
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I bought the HI-WAY BLASTER HORN that's 139dB and every time I honk the horn an Angel dies.
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17 - and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 - Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: (Real ID and RFID chips)
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Don't need to rock crawl to drag the bottom of these rigs, The longer wheelbase allows for dragging the bottom on washboards and relatively mild trails. I would NEVER recommend drop brackets. And you can get the IRO CP kit (front) for like $600 and add quality springs and shocks for a bit more. WAY better setup for even the mild trails most traverse.
Not all of us live in the states and have to exchange rates and crazy shipping prices. So we do what is affordable and works.

If you're finding a way to scrape drop brackets in what you call mild trails, I would like to see what you are doing to get the frame that close to then ground.

But that is a completely different topic and let's not further derail this.
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@nick613 . Can you get more pics of the drop brackets? I'm curious how they built the top mounts.

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Not all of us live in the states and have to exchange rates and crazy shipping prices. So we do what is affordable and works.

If you're finding a way to scrape drop brackets in what you call mild trails, I would like to see what you are doing to get the frame that close to then ground.

But that is a completely different topic and let's not further derail this.
Understood...

Here is an example pic of why breakover angle is important in a rig the length of ours...

https://i.imgur.com/eQPKCbL.jpg

Thats why I don't recommend drop brackets.

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...We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. ...I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post...
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I bought the HI-WAY BLASTER HORN that's 139dB and every time I honk the horn an Angel dies.
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16 - He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,
17 - and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 - Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: (Real ID and RFID chips)
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