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post #1 of 28 Unread 02-15-2019, 10:10 AM Thread Starter
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Best choice for stainless steel flexible brake lines?

Thinking about swapping mine out since I've restored just about every other part of the brake system. Since big names I see are:

Goodridge
Rugged Ridge
Rubicon Express
Spiegler

Leaving toward Goodridge myself, but wanted to see if you all had any thoughts on the matter.

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Goodridge 600- series AN3 hose and fittings, do it yourself

I replaced all of my soft- and hard lines with Goodridge AN3 SS- hose, I ran full- length hose all the way from the HCU to each caliper. Brake feel is now a whole lot better with no sponginess. My previous setup was OEM hard lines and aftermarket braided SS hoses to calipers.
If you don't want to fully replace brake lines, do your own to replace the OEM soft lines. Pretty damn easy to do, and you get exactly the length and hose routing you want/ need.


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Goodridge 600- series AN3 hose and fittings, do it yourself

I replaced all of my soft- and hard lines with Goodridge AN3 SS- hose, I ran full- length hose all the way from the HCU to each caliper. Brake feel is now a whole lot better with no sponginess. My previous setup was OEM hard lines and aftermarket braided SS hoses to calipers.
If you don't want to fully replace brake lines, do your own to replace the OEM soft lines. Pretty damn easy to do, and you get exactly the length and hose routing you want/ need.
I didn't even realize cutting and fitting SS hose was reasonable to DIY. What tools did you need for that?

And you used the SS hose to replace the hard lines as well? I was thinking about replacing mine with NiCopp lines, but a full hose run is interesting...
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One thing to remember: it is easier and cheaper to just buy soft line replacements - either stock, or longer aftermarket braided SS - if your hard lines are still good.

Other thing to remember: you will certainly not save money if you do your own soft lines - especially full length. Goodridge hoses & fittings aren't cheap, but they are good.




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I didn't even realize cutting and fitting SS hose was reasonable to DIY. What tools did you need for that?
I used Knipex 160mm wire cutters, needle-point tool to pry open the end of the braided SS mesh for the hose barb, and IIRC 11mm or 12mm open-end wrenches to tighten up the fittings.
There are about a gazillion different types of banjos and other fittings, so there's certainly options to choose from to find exactly what you need.
AN3 size is actually really easy to work with, AN6 and AN8 braided SS hoses are way worse

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And you used the SS hose to replace the hard lines as well? I was thinking about replacing mine with NiCopp lines, but a full hose run is interesting...
Yeap, hose all the way from ABS HCU to each caliper without any connections in between. I honestly wondered if hose swell under hard braking would cause soft/ spongy pedal feel or slight reduction in braking power, but nope.
I ran dual hoses to rear calipers, T- fitting at the HCU.

It is certainly NOT cheaper to replace hard lines with high quality braided SS PTFE hose compared to buying a spool of NiCu and flaring it.
If you do go full soft line, make sure to find the correct fittings for the ABS HCU outputs. One of the three fittings is a really odd size that is damn hard to find, I ended up drilling & retapping it to one size larger.

Just replacing the soft lines with longer aftermarket replacements is easier and cheaper, but I had issues with all three hard lines so they needed to be replaced anyway. That's why I ended up doing it the way I did.
I've done hard line replacements before with NiCu, but I just hate the flaring, bending the hard lines straight etc..

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SS isn't much more difficult to work with compared to copper nickle and steel. If your not able to get bends right the first it's a little more difficult to rebend and reshape stainless.

Using a tool to create bends the bends can become fairly precise or if your careful you can just use you hands, without a bending tool.

I already re-did my hard lines back to the drum brakes on my XJ using steel lines and they didn't last very long, completely rusted out I think perhaps because I use to take the XJ out on an ocean beach quite often.

So after removing the old lines which included replacement of all of the fittings, the T vent valve on the real axle, the drum bake wheels cylinders (which were so badly rusted that the wheel cylinder bolts needed to be burned using a torch.) and the middle brake hose (that goes from a bracket that terminates the hardline to the rear to the Tee-valve vent.

The Tee on the axle if badly rusted require purchasing a middle hose that includes new tee with four connections: brake in, brake left, brake right and axle vent hose. I also had to find a bolt that's threads into the axle, securing the tee, with a vent hose connection on top.

For my 95 ZJ I'm finding two part numbers

J3187999 1 SCREW, Rear Brake Hose/Axle Vent 1/4 x 5/16" (Plastic)
CHRYSLER OEM Axle Housing-Rear-Vent J5352955

and > 52067508 1 1/4 x 7/16" (Metal)

This is axle vent bolt I found for my XJ, which is the same p/n for my ZJ.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BOLT-Lower-...2GiU:rk:1:pf:0

I thought about replacing the rusted leaking lines with copper nickle but decided to use stainless lines and fittings.

The one thing I needed to do is find flare dies for stainless steel because the die bits that came with my flare kit were only rated for softer metal lines such as copper/nickle and steel.

I searched around and found a double flare die kit, that's rated for stainless, some flare dies aren't rated to be used with stainless tubing. (wrote to the seller and asked if they dies are rated to use with stainless tubing and he replied yes they are)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Double-Flar...YRPm:rk:1:pf:0

I've ordered items from https://classictube.com/ which has iirc both rolls and prebent brake lines.

If you don't want to bend your own https://classictube.com/ and other places carry prebent brake lines. I also remember seeing some made by Dorman

I ended up for the XJ finding some stainless lines from a ebay seller motorcitymusclecar

Stainless Steel Brake Line Tubing Kit 3/16 OD 25' Foot Coil Roll AN 45 Flare SAE

& Stainless Steel Tube Fittings Nuts 3/16 Tubing 45 Inverted Flare Set Kit FPS01

Of which the same seller has both the fittings and a 20' (vs 25') foot roll of 3/16" stainless

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-S...1Lm9:rk:2:pf:0

There's other sources but i found the seller has quality products at reasonable prices.

I also found some stainless armor guard coil that adds some protection for the hard lines, against rocks, debri, etc. that kits up off the road.

As for braided hose lines I just left my rubber ones which are fairly durable and last a good while. I think braided may be necessary for certain types of environments? I think there sometime used in race cars for additional protection at higher speeds, etc. And possibly more severe / extreme off-road environments?
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The normal rubber hoses expand a little when pressurized and contribute to the spongy feel in the brakes. Braided stainless won't do that.

Unless it's a stock street queen, I'd go with 100% hose like timo did.

If you just want something quick then kolak has good options for just replacing the rubber hoses with longer braided stainless ones.


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I don't know if I would need braided steel hoses or not on my 95 ZJ.

I'm uncertain what sort hard lines it currently has, they appear to be in good condition. The ZJ has little rust so I think it must have been garaged most of it's life.

I found this braided hose kit that appears to include both front brake hoses and the middle hose that attaches to the rear axle?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/87-95-YJ-Wr...oY0Z:rk:1:pf:0

The brakes are currently in good condition, perhaps the braided hoses would help to improve it's stopping distance and braking response?
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I just ordered braided lines in the length I needed with the appropriate fittings. I left the hard lines but ran all braided from the hard line back when I put my 14 bolt in (no hard line across the tube) and it was all cheaper than the premade stainless "kit" that I bought for the YJ, forget which brand kit I used way back. All the lines I used this time I got from Summit, I think they were aeroquip.

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Can you buy stock length front ss braided lines? Ive been thinking about replacing the stock hoses on my 5.9 when I put the big brake kit on.

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Yes there's online stores and also eBay sellers that carries them.

RockAuto shows compatibility for OEM fit rubber front brake hoses

JEEP CHEROKEE 1990-2001
JEEP COMANCHE 1990-1992
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE 1993-1998
JEEP WAGONEER 1990
JEEP WRANGLER 1997-2006

For the middle hose

JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE 1993-1998

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Some of the online stores that carry stock size SS hoses and pre-bent hard lines.

e.g.

https://www.buybrakes.com/

https://www.inlinetube.com

https://classictube.com/

https://www.summitracing.com

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/r...grand-cherokee

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You can find the same RE1550 kit on eBay however this kit doesn't appear to include middle line that connects to the axle.

From inlinetube.com their parts selector doesn't show brake lines for a ZJ only an XJ, but according to RockAuto XJ and ZJ brake hoses should be the same I'm uncertain the hardlines.

Here's a complete inlinetube.com kit with two front hoses and one rear axle hose that from an eBay seller

https://www.ebay.com/itm/87-95-YJ-Wr...oY0Z:rk:1:pf:0

for 87-95 YJ Wrangler which should also fit a 1993-1998 ZJ ?

I would e-mail ebay seller motorcitymusclecar and/or www.inlinetube.com to make certain that their kit fits your specific year ZJ. I didn't see a ss hose kit available directly from www.inlinetube.com parts selector for a ZJ. It probably exists and they're just using a ss hose kit from a compatible Jeep model.
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Heres the goodridge kit. Comes with all 5 soft lines.

http://autoplicity.com/3475243-goodr...CABEgKyCfD_BwE

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Thanks for all the info everyone! I ended up going with the Goodridge ones because they have all five hoses with factory-style mounting hardware included. Crown Performance five-layer lines were a close second, but they only had three hose kits and I don't want to deal with custom fitting right now. Will report back once they are installed!
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Did you find the kit cheaper than $123?

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Which years Grand Cherokees require five lines? i.e. Both front and rear and middle brake hoses.

The fitment for the Goodridge 15507 G-Stop Brake Lines is

1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited / ALL / Laredo / Limited
1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee ALL / Laredo / Limited
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee ALL
1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee ALL / Laredo / Limited
1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee ALL / Laredo / Limited

So my 95 ZJ requires five brake hoses?

I looked through the OEM parts manual that includes a 1995 ZJ

The Jeep oem parts manual shows.

11
5200 7582-3 1 HOSE ASSEMBLY, Front Brake Up to 8-20-93 ***
5200 8674-5 1 After 8-20-93

19 HOSE ASSEMBLY, Combo Vale to HCU - Primary ***
5200 8253 1 ZJ 1994
5200 8937 1 ZJ 1995-96

20 HOSE ASSEMBLY, Combo Valve to HCU - Secondary ***
5200 8357 1 ZJ 1994
5200 8938 1 ZJ 1995-96

5 HOSE ASSEMBLY, Rear Axle ***

5200 7401 1 ZJ Body To Axle, w/Drum or Disc Rear Brakes
5200 8662-3 1 ZJ Axle To Caliper, w/Rear Disc Brakes

Perhaps I'm not looking at the right oem manual. I'm not able to find rear hoses from the rear brake illustration.

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I imagine all zj’s with rear discs.

My 94 has rear drums and the hard lines go right to the wheel cylinder. So only 3 soft lines.

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