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post #1 of 15 Old 11-26-2019, 09:37 PM Thread Starter
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Greetings! I am in the market for a new to me ZJ. I’m specifically looking for a lower mileage, 5.2 that would serve as a good starting point for an overland vehicle.

I have found a 1995 Limited Orvis 5.2 - 74,800 miles.
Interior looks clean, exterior looks clean (for its age) and the ad says rust free (I have not gone to look at it yet).
Price is $8k (sold through a dealership).
Is that high? I know the price has gone up on some ZJ’s, but I haven’t bought a ZJ in so long that I’m out of the loop on what is reasonable.

Any thoughts / suggestions are welcome and I appreciate any insight shared.

John


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post #2 of 15 Old 11-26-2019, 11:20 PM
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If it was an Elvis edition, then maybe you're on to something.

That one is such an extreme outlier, 74800 miles, it is hard to say. What was that thing new, mid-20's, upper 20's? It's only halfway through what would be expected before mechanical wear & tear starts to show up in earnest, except for the effects of age.
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post #3 of 15 Old 11-27-2019, 04:56 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks RedRiver.

For reference, I have attached some pictures of the actual Jeep. It looks clean. I've seen some pics of the underside, it appears to have some surface rust underneath (back corners of the rocker covers look the worst), but is mostly clean.

It is a CO Jeep - 3 Owner: 1st owner had it for 9 years, 2nd owner for 14 days, then the third for 14 years.
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post #4 of 15 Old 11-27-2019, 06:09 PM
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That's low miles, however I seem to remember a mid 90s Orvis ZJ going for around $3,500 with even lower miles that was sold from a dealership. Just after I paid a private owner $2,200 for a 95 ZJ with 217,000 miles.

While searching for a part at a local JY the jy employee mentioned something about an old lady picking up a mid 90s Orvis from a local dealership with very low miles. (seem to remember mileage was between 20-30k)

My 95 ZJ has a 4.0L and hasn't exhibited any problems at all, only needed to replace the starter as it's solenoid went out.

Starts right up every time no problems, runs very well with 222k on it. I sometimes wonder if the engine has been rebuilt or partial rebuilt because it runs so well. The original owner had it regularly serviced at the local Jeep dealership, but I haven't yet asked them about any service records of the original owner or if they would be willing to provide any information. The second owner only owned it for six months and decided on another vehicle.
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post #5 of 15 Old 11-27-2019, 06:54 PM
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Greetings! I am in the market for a new to me ZJ. I’m specifically looking for a lower mileage, 5.2 that would serve as a good starting point for an overland vehicle.

I have found a 1995 Limited Orvis 5.2 - 74,800 miles.
Interior looks clean, exterior looks clean (for its age) and the ad says rust free (I have not gone to look at it yet).
Price is $8k (sold through a dealership).
Is that high? I know the price has gone up on some ZJ’s, but I haven’t bought a ZJ in so long that I’m out of the loop on what is reasonable.

Any thoughts / suggestions are welcome and I appreciate any insight shared.

John
I paid $3500 for my 98 ZJ Laredo SE 4x4 with 150k from a dealer about 2 years ago. $8k is ridiculous. That "Orvis" isn't anything special, just badges and weird interior colors.

For $8k are they offering a 3 year warranty on it at a minimum? No warranty I sure wouldn't be paying that kind of money for a stock 25 year old Jeep of any kind.

Looks ok, but I noticed it don't look like that tow hitch receiver is factory, looks like some add-on aftermarket? Or possibly one added by a dealership to cover the fuel tank protection recall....Some weren't rated for towing.
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post #6 of 15 Old 11-27-2019, 07:13 PM Thread Starter
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I paid $3500 for my 98 ZJ Laredo SE 4x4 with 150k from a dealer about 2 years ago. $8k is ridiculous. That "Orvis" isn't anything special, just badges and weird interior colors.

For $8k are they offering a 3 year warranty on it at a minimum? No warranty I sure wouldn't be paying that kind of money for a stock 25 year old Jeep of any kind.

Looks ok, but I noticed it don't look like that tow hitch receiver is factory, looks like some add-on aftermarket? Or possibly one added by a dealership to cover the fuel tank protection recall....Some weren't rated for towing.
Lol, nah, it comes with a 15 day/500 mile warranty lol.

I'm going to go look at it on Sunday. After I take a look and see if things look in good, I'll go back to test drive it (IL dealers cannot be open or work on Sundays, but he said I can go look at it on the lot). If all pans out I'm going to try and get him to come down on the price - I know it was sold to his dealership for $3k, so there is definitely some room to work.
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post #7 of 15 Old 11-27-2019, 08:32 PM
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Lol, nah, it comes with a 15 day/500 mile warranty lol.

I'm going to go look at it on Sunday. After I take a look and see if things look in good, I'll go back to test drive it (IL dealers cannot be open or work on Sundays, but he said I can go look at it on the lot). If all pans out I'm going to try and get him to come down on the price - I know it was sold to his dealership for $3k, so there is definitely some room to work.
$3-4k would be all I'd pay for it in the first place. For the $8k price it better come with at least a 3 year warranty and free oil changes. Or at least steal the blue book they're using so the rest of us can price our 20+ year old cars accordingly LOL.

$70k is pretty good for a 20+ year old vehicle, but at the same time everything is possibly 20+ years old, so worn seals, parts, etc. could still be an issue. Sometimes lower miles on a old vehicle could be worse than high miles on an old vehicle.
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post #8 of 15 Old 11-28-2019, 06:50 PM
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Knowing what I know about ZJ's, there is no way in hell I'd ever pay $8000 for one, no matter the mileage or condition.
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post #9 of 15 Old 11-29-2019, 12:22 AM
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i'm Kind of with nhcd538... I bought a 1995 ZJ SAME COLOR NICE BUT NO WHERE AS NICE AS THAT ONE .
I gave $300.00 . & It has a new Chrysler trans in it with 5000 mile on it .& a V8 Motor .217k miles .
It had set for about 2 years . SO NEW TIRES & NEW BATTERY . It's nice but no where near as nice as that one . But I'd think 3000 should top it out in my area . Your profile didn't show where your from.
The good old USA has lot's of different styles of paychecks ... & What valued in CENTRAL TEXAS maybe a premium up north where there are no rust free vehicles .
... But I'll say at 8000K YOU STILL HAVE ..AC ISSUES & TIRES & ELECTRICAL WILL START IN 2 WEEKS . door motors & window motors ..
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post #10 of 15 Old 11-29-2019, 06:03 AM
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You can look look it up in Kelly blue book to get an idea what the price should be. You also can look on ebay and see what similar vehicles sold for. I wouldn't buy any vehicle with a green exterior and light tan interior but that's just me.

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post #11 of 15 Old 11-29-2019, 06:46 AM
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What papitt said. Even in obscenely pretty, low mileage condition these things have so many quirks, and the newest ZJ you can buy is still at least 21 years old...the stuff breaks. Window motors, door lock actuators, blend doors, blower motor resistor, speakers blow, radios and VIC's fry, PCM's crumble, wiper motors die, the stupid factory alarm and all it's silly little components and eccentricities - not to mention the transmission, t-case viscous coupler, rzeppa driveshaft, CV half shafts, unit bearings, steering box, etc. the stuff just wears out. I am not a ZJ expert but I've had a couple and I've read a lot on here. Owning one is like the story of the kid sticking his finger in the dam and a new leak pops up somewhere else...and over and over again. Now me, I'm ok with that. I bought this Jeep just to tinker with it. I actually enjoy working on it and that's why I own it. But it's not my daily driver (although many guys here daily drive ZJ's).

For $8000 you could buy a VERY nice low-miles 2004 WJ with a 4.7 V8 (not the best but if you're careful not bad) AND build it up the right way and still only be $8000 in. For $8000 you could really buy any number of nice, newer Jeeps (or other brands) and build a nice overlander.

Just my opinion. The ZJ you're looking at IS gorgeous. I've always had a soft spot for the Orvis'. It represents an exciting time for SUV's in America and showcases the dominance Jeep had in the market at the time. It's clean and nice and worth every penny of $4000. Not more.

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post #12 of 15 Old 11-29-2019, 07:52 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you for the information! I still think I’m going to at least look at it. I’m hoping the dealer will be reasonable, however I’m doubting he’ll let it go for less than $6k given that he purchased it at auction In CO for $3k (add in shipping to IL and such, he’s probably $4k into it).

As for a WJ, I’ve thought about it, but it’s 100% out of the question. I drove my Aunt and Uncles 2004 WJ Limited a while ago and it just felt too small. Totally understand it’s newer, but it felt too cramped - particularly the headroom and angle of the windshield.

If the dealer won’t move on the price, then I will keep looking, not in a particularly large rush. I’d rather find the right one then just “the first one”.

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post #13 of 15 Old 11-29-2019, 07:27 PM Thread Starter
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Had some stuff get cancelled today, so I went and looked/test drove it.

Overall, it’s in good condition, but not for the price.

Transmission Pan leak
Rear Differential leak
Rear Main Seal leak
Valve Cover Gaskets are starting to leak
Steering Gear Box leak
Rocker Panels are full of body filler, and not done well.

Engine runs really well, transmission shifts well, transfer case works correctly (no binding). Electronics are good.

Leaks and Body Filler are a deal breaker, especially if you are asking 2x KBB.

The search will continue!

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Smart move.

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post #15 of 15 Old 11-30-2019, 10:04 PM
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Smart move.

Agreed. $8,000 for a niner with similar miles would be more tempting, but still a bit high. The Orvis is neat, especially the '96 that has the grey dash, newer steering wheel, etc., but not worth that kind of money. They'll be lucky to get $4,000 for it, IMHO. So yes, 2X KBB makes sense. Good luck on your search.

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