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post #1 of 11 Old 02-17-2020, 12:52 PM Thread Starter
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YJ Shackle, Springs, Bushings Frustration

Hey folks,
My '95 YJ is getting a bit old and I am starting to go through and give it a bit of a face lift. Currently I am focusing on the shackles and the leaf springs.
Current configuration:
Leaf Spring: SkyJacker 3.5" lift military wrap springs
Shackles: Stock

I purchased some boomerang greaseable shackles. As I was installing them I found that the military wrap springs do not fit between the center bolt and the spring bolt on the shackle. FML.
Couple of options.
1. Install shackle without center bolt. I am not sure how big of a risk this is to the overall strength of the shackle itself. Has anyone done this?
2. Get another set of shackles. Open to any recommendations...
3. Get new springs.... expensive and a pain in the a.
4. I have even heard about just cutting off the military wrap... I feel like this would be like not wearing a hardhat to work... the day you do it is the day something falls on your head.

Any thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks!!


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post #2 of 11 Old 02-17-2020, 01:06 PM
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Your spring shackle bushings are probably shot and worn or were overtightened.

Unless you are saying the milwrap leaf is wider than the remainder of the leaves? Or do you mean the center bolt is offset too far to make space for two eyes?

Something doesn’t compute.
Pics?

[size=“3”]Shackles & D-rings are different things.
Cranking IS turning over
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Your spring shackle bushings are probably shot and worn or were overtightened.

Unless you are saying the milwrap leaf is wider than the remainder of the leaves? Or do you mean the center bolt is offset too far to make space for two eyes?

Something doesn’t compute.
Pics?

Yes the bushings are completely shot. I have purchased new ones already.
The center bolt is offset too far to make space for the two eyes. The milwrap comes into contact with the center bolt. Ill try to get some photos uploaded.
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Well the center bolt should be offset towards the frame. Unless I’m not seeing that right on my phone it doesn’t appear that way?

The bolt should be positioned such that it resists shackle inversion in off road situations. It Is supposed to hit the frame preventing bending of the spring.

Am I seeing that right?

[size=“3”]Shackles & D-rings are different things.
Cranking IS turning over
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You beat me to it. Flip the shackles around.


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Well the center bolt should be offset towards the frame. Unless I’m not seeing that right on my phone it doesn’t appear that way?

The bolt should be positioned such that it resists shackle inversion in off road situations. It Is supposed to hit the frame preventing bending of the spring.

Am I seeing that right?
I have tried flipping the shackle as well and in this case the frame is to wide to access the center bolt. I have attached a couple more photos and an image of how I have attempted it.
Ideally I would be able to install it the way it describes on the instruction sheet but when installed this way the milwrap gets in the way of the center bolt.
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you had those rear shackles oriented correctly the first time.

Mil wrap springs do this. They interfere with boomerang shackles center bolts. I cleanly tapered off the actual spring and cut it on the shackle side front and rear to keep my center bolt. Left the milwrap for the frame end.

Pick you poison... either get different shackles, cut the mil wrap at the shackle end, or run it with no center bolts. If you're not hardcore and into extreme terrain riding - you wont miss the center bolts.

That said - the mil wrap ends SHOULD work for the front oriented boomerang shackles as the elbow in them is on the top side.

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4. I have even heard about just cutting off the military wrap... I feel like this would be like not wearing a hardhat to work... the day you do it is the day something falls on your head.

Any thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks!!
Maybe bruinjeeper is saying the same thing, but you can cut the mil wrap half way and still keep the mil wrap. I used to have a pic but it's long gone. Anyway, you simply cut the front of the wrap @ the middle (or back depending on which spring your doing) Instead of a full loop on the spring you end up with half of a loop. This will let it clear the booms. If the main breaks, there is still a half loop of the second spring for the weight of the Jeep to sit on. I just used a cut off wheel and it is a quick job. Hope this makes sense.

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4. I have even heard about just cutting off the military wrap... I feel like this would be like not wearing a hardhat to work... the day you do it is the day something falls on your head.

Any thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks!!
Maybe bruinjeeper is saying the same thing, but you can cut the mil wrap half way and still keep the mil wrap. I used to have a pic but it's long gone. Anyway, you simply cut the front of the wrap @ the middle (or back depending on which spring your doing) Instead of a full loop on the spring you end up with half of a loop. This will let it clear the booms. If the main breaks, there is still a half loop of the second spring for the weight of the Jeep to sit on. I just used a cut off wheel and it is a quick job. Hope this makes sense. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/JeepForum_2016/smilies/tango_face_smile.png[/IMG]
Yep ^

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Yep ^
Great! I think this makes total since. I think Ill give cutting the spring a shot. Worse case I need to buy a new spring. I think the shackles should work great since I didnt want bigger ones which would give more of a lift than I am after. If you happen by those photos of how you cut yours that would be great! Ill try to see what I can find on google also.
Thanks for the responses folks I really appreciate it!
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Yeah, those pics were on Image shack and long gone. That and I don't have the YJ anymore. But it's really not that bad to do. Heck, I didn't even square a line… just eyeballed it and it came out fine. You could even cut the loop off @ 2/3 if ya want. Ya just need enough to clear the cross bolt. But I though half looked good, tho.
Not that I was the first, way back when, to do this, but I just copied the RE ED design at the time. They had full mil wrap for the frame end, and a half wrap @ the shackle. And since my BDS were full's, I figured why can't I do what RE did. Worked out fine and never had an issue with them.

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