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NIUPonyBoy 07-11-2007 10:14 PM

YJ Chat and non tech
 
But tonite as I rode home with the top off I really loved my rust-bucket YJ! At damn near 300k she still runs strong and I won't give it up for the world. She just isn't so pretty right now so some cosmetic work is coming, but after a long time w/o it and just military vechiles it was twice as sweet.

Just figured y'all would get it more so than the rest of the site. ;)

John

atomicmoose 07-12-2007 07:59 AM

I felt the same way while I was driving home in the rain last night with no doors, no windows and no dry clothes. :rofl:

NIUPonyBoy 07-12-2007 08:58 AM

^That's what put my Jeep in mothballs for several months last year. lol

jbolty 07-08-2012 08:46 AM

YJ Chat and non tech
 
There are a number of threads that are not tech related but are YJ specific so let's try this area for those.

You know you drive a YJ when ...

What makes your YJ unique?


The problem I'm trying to solve is the top being nothing but stickies; it was up to 12 at one time and on a mid size monitor that's the entire screen.

There might be more clicks if a thread does not have action for a while but if someone posts in one of them, "what did I do to my YJ today" for example it jumps back to the top. On the other hand if a thread falls off the bottom of the page it's not hard to open the link to find it again.

Also, I'm hoping this thread will be a home to some of the stuff that might get shipped off to GD or WGD.

We'll see how it goes for a while and adjust as needed.

thx

Anticanman 07-08-2012 02:33 PM

I like this new sticky setup

mrmark 07-08-2012 03:50 PM

Not sure on it yet ... So far it just seems to make me have to click more times to get to the same spot I used to get to on the main page.

attentionwhore 07-08-2012 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Anticanman (Post 13835423)
I like this new sticky setup

I concur.
...and you forget the ** at the beginning and end of the title :D

mrmark 07-08-2012 04:59 PM

It's all good, it'll take some getting used to. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T MESS WITH MY FACEBOOK TIMELINE :rofl:

Anticanman 07-08-2012 05:31 PM

I like how my thread is considered under the nonsense category.

This is basically Yj non tech. I think there should be an entire section like the XJ guys have without being wrangler general discussion.




mrmark 07-08-2012 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Anticanman (Post 13836121)
I like how my thread is considered under the nonsense category.

This is basically Yj non tech. I think there should be an entire section like the XJ guys have without being wrangler general discussion.

Maybe we could have a section called, "HEY, CANMAN HOW CAN I SPEND MY MONEY" :rofl:

jbolty 07-08-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Anticanman (Post 13836121)
I like how my thread is considered under the nonsense category.

This is basically Yj non tech. I think there should be an entire section like the XJ guys have without being wrangler general discussion.

Good point, I'll change it. I was not thinking about the actual threads within.

Anticanman 07-08-2012 05:41 PM

I think there should be an "Ask Max" area. Or a "Ask Que" thread.




YJames90 07-08-2012 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Anticanman (Post 13836161)
I think there should be an "Ask Max" area. Or a "Ask Que" thread.

Yeah!!! Ask Max. Perfect as long as hes up to it. Max?

Michaelgoesrawr 07-08-2012 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Anticanman
I like this new sticky setup

It's pretty cool but it lacks user-friendliness for the frequent app users. When I go to click on "What did you do to your YJ" it takes me to an in app Internet page instead of re routing to the in app page. Kinda defeats the purpose of using the app to begin with. Its like this with all links, which makes sense when going to peruse parts or something that a person recommends but it's irking with threads that are already on JeepForum.

WindsorRenegade 07-08-2012 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Anticanman (Post 13836161)
I think there should be an "Ask Max" area. Or a "Ask Que" thread.


Definitly. I already thought an "Ask Max" sticky would be great, but for electrical, noone beats Que.

Great idea!

TJEvans 07-08-2012 08:48 PM

It's not as user friendly as it was. Before, I would see the post, click on "last page" and go straight there. Now, I click on this post, click the link, get taken to page one, and have to click on last page to get where I could previously get to with one click...

additionally, since these 2 threads tend to be the most frequently updated, they'll just end up being the first 2 posts at the top of the non-stickied threads anyway, essentially causing the issue that you are trying to avoid. (having then appear at the top all the time on smaller screens)

Poke 07-09-2012 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jbolty (Post 13834122)
There are a number of threads that are not tech related but are YJ specific so let's try this area for those.

You know you drive a YJ when ...

What makes your YJ unique?


The problem I'm trying to solve is the top being nothing but stickies; it was up to 12 at one time and on a mid size monitor that's the entire screen.

There might be more clicks if a thread does not have action for a while but if someone posts in one of them, "what did I do to my YJ today" for example it jumps back to the top. On the other hand if a thread falls off the bottom of the page it's not hard to open the link to find it again.

Also, I'm hoping this thread will be a home to some of the stuff that might get shipped off to GD or WGD.

We'll see how it goes for a while and adjust as needed.

thx


Thanks. The sheer volume of non tech posts is what drove me away for the last year. I spent more time telling people their post was not YJ tech specific than actually answering questions. I am cautiously optimistic that YJ tech might actually be YJ tech now.

bhamdan 07-09-2012 08:19 AM

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I recently changed did the internal to external slave conversion. It seems that no one really sells the line for the internal slaves. Does anyone think it would be worth selling before I toss it out?

mrmark 07-09-2012 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bhamdan (Post 13838558)
I recently changed did the internal to external slave conversion. It seems that no one really sells the line for the internal slaves. Does anyone think it would be worth selling before I toss it out?

wrong spot for this (I think) ... I would ask around maybe someone could use it

bhamdan 07-09-2012 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmark (Post 13838637)
wrong spot for this (I think) ...

YJ Chat and non tech? :confused:

Anticanman 07-09-2012 09:17 AM

I think the lines need to be redefined as to what is tech and what isn't. The question was where to buy something which is technically non tech along with asking how much the jeep is worth. But it could be construed as tech and I would answer it.

I really think we need another section along with /f12/ like a /f121/ directory where we can have dedicated Yj non tech where we get answers from Yj folks and not mixups from the tj crowd. Educated as they may be, they're not driving the same vehicle. I don't post about their jeeps value and expect them to not post about mine. If they were local it would be a toss up though.




bhamdan 07-09-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Anticanman (Post 13838795)
I think the lines need to be redefined as to what is tech and what isn't. The question was where to buy something which is technically non tech along with asking how much the jeep is worth. But it could be construed as tech and I would answer it.

I really think we need another section along with /f12/ like a /f121/ directory where we can have dedicated Yj non tech where we get answers from Yj folks and not mixups from the tj crowd. Educated as they may be, they're not driving the same vehicle. I don't post about their jeeps value and expect them to not post about mine. If they were local it would be a toss up though.

Just to clarify, I was asking about the hydraulic line between the clutch master and internal slave cylinder and value of that line, not the value of the jeep itself.

Anticanman 07-09-2012 09:48 AM

I know. But the question was how much to buy it. Not what it does. I was making a suggestion for the entire section in this reform and in the process failed to also answer your question.




Poke 07-09-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Anticanman (Post 13838795)
I think the lines need to be redefined as to what is tech and what isn't. The question was where to buy something which is technically non tech along with asking how much the jeep is worth. But it could be construed as tech and I would answer it.

I really think we need another section along with /f12/ like a /f121/ directory where we can have dedicated Yj non tech where we get answers from Yj folks and not mixups from the tj crowd. Educated as they may be, they're not driving the same vehicle. I don't post about their jeeps value and expect them to not post about mine. If they were local it would be a toss up though.

It is not well regulated now I doubt a new section would change that. Besides there are other areas of this forum for non tech or general tech. It should be self regulated by members. Mods can't do it all with as many posts as this place gets. It's not the mods fault people post in the wrong section. Its a full time job telling people they are off topic. A forum is its members. Stop answering the non tech and when you see non tech let the OP know. just my opinion on how to slow it down.

bhamdan 07-09-2012 11:46 AM

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I didnt see a YJ General forum, so I figured this was a good spot. I could post in Wrangler General but that internal slave line is YJ specific I believe (uses a different fitting than external) since the external slaves started in 94.

jbolty 07-09-2012 01:04 PM

That's exactly what I had in mind. GD or Wrangler GD is not really correct, since it's YJ specific. We'll get it right and making sense eventually.

Just realized that the two links I put in the first post are lost now that we are on page two. Have to figure something out for that.

mrmark 07-09-2012 01:16 PM

also part of the problem technical discussions sometimes really quickly turn non-technical and vise versa so that adds to the mayhem ... there is no real easy solution IMO

jbolty 07-09-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmark (Post 13839966)
also part of the problem technical discussions sometimes really quickly turn non-technical and vise versa so that adds to the mayhem ... there is no real easy solution IMO

Very true, but at least if the first post is a question or defiante tech it can wander from there.

There was a post the other day from a guy that was just "Hi, just bought a YJ and checking in" I really had to move it to GD but at the risk of discouraging him from participating. I'm hoping this area can be a home for that stuff.

The good news is none of this is a tatoo; it can be changed pretty easy.

Xpress 07-09-2012 03:42 PM

Maybe I just need to adapt to it, but I currently do not see any feasible nor practical reasoning for forcing me to click more times just to find a thread that I and the rest of the YJ community like having quick access to.

firefighter315 07-09-2012 03:51 PM

I think its a great idea Bolty. The sticky section had become a bit obese. :D You know how any of us with a little time on here react to change initially. You've made it clear you are open to suggestion and trying this out for a bit. I suggested in the survey a while back that a YJ advanced tech be added. I thought it may weed out some of the weekly runs of common questions and eliminate sorting through non-YJ threads in the general advanced tech. Not sure it would be popular though considering how the general advanced creeps along most of the time.

Louie4 07-09-2012 04:48 PM

The layout works for me.

Xpress 07-09-2012 05:38 PM

Actually I think the thread "What did you do to your YJ today?" should be a sticky because technically it's a technical thread, but just a place for everyone to put their daily tweaks or changes they've done, rather than making a new thread for everything they've did (which is fine, as long as it's a writeup, how-to, or something along those lines, where the process of carrying out the modification might not be clear to people). It's nice having that thread at the top of the forum because it's in an easy to access and convenient place so we don't have to go dig for it.

Threads like "You know you own a YJ when..." or "What makes your YJ unique?" aren't really technical threads, but they do have to deal with the YJ model specifically, so I think it's great that we can have a simple thread such as this for quick access to them. Keeps the top of the board clean and organized and hides the chatter, but still lets us access those threads easily.

TJEvans 07-09-2012 07:26 PM

I'm also a tad surprised that 6-7 stickies are considered "too much." i've been to other forums (covering a varied range of subjects) in which it's not uncommon to see 14-20 stickied posts.

Additionally, the YJOTM threads are also not "technically" technical threads, either.

jeepnrover 07-09-2012 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Anticanman (Post 13836121)
I think there should be an entire section like the XJ guys have without being wrangler general discussion.

This!!!:ditto:

Anticanman 07-10-2012 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TJEvans (Post 13841798)
I'm also a tad surprised that 6-7 stickies are considered "too much." i've been to other forums (covering a varied range of subjects) in which it's not uncommon to see 14-20 stickied posts.

Additionally, the YJOTM threads are also not "technically" technical threads, either.

They're not technical at all but I begged and pleaded that they be stickied at one point so that that wouldn't be lost in the abyss of Yj tech and then we would have only one contestant instead of six.

Even more of a reason to have a Yj non tech section. Should we all send Keith a PM? :nono: I'm pretty sure it would get me banned for the idea. How about a thread in the announcements and comments section?

EDIT: thread started

https://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f6/an.../#post13843251




Poke 07-10-2012 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Xpress (Post 13840693)
Maybe I just need to adapt to it, but I currently do not see any feasible nor practical reasoning for forcing me to click more times just to find a thread that I and the rest of the YJ community like having quick access to.

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Originally Posted by Xpress (Post 13841223)
Actually I think the thread "What did you do to your YJ today?" should be a sticky because technically it's a technical thread, but just a place for everyone to put their daily tweaks or changes they've done, rather than making a new thread for everything they've did (which is fine, as long as it's a writeup, how-to, or something along those lines, where the process of carrying out the modification might not be clear to people). It's nice having that thread at the top of the forum because it's in an easy to access and convenient place so we don't have to go dig for it.

Threads like "You know you own a YJ when..." or "What makes your YJ unique?" aren't really technical threads, but they do have to deal with the YJ model specifically, so I think it's great that we can have a simple thread such as this for quick access to them. Keeps the top of the board clean and organized and hides the chatter, but still lets us access those threads easily.

The threads you reference are general chat threads. They are not technical. Any questions asked there that are technical would get more attention as their own posts. In my opinion the way you look at the forum is why we are having trouble with so much non tech. YJ tech is not an area to socialize and discuss that someone did today. You want to socialize. I don't mean this as anything negative against you only as a good example of why its hard to regulate. You either draw a line in that sand or you let things run amuck. There is nothing wrong with structure.

and stickies are the devil. Keep as few as possible.

grandboost98 07-10-2012 07:18 AM

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I agree with Xpress that the "what you did..." thread should be a sticky since its nothing but little modifications done to our yjs on a daily basis not worthy of starting its own thread to clutter up and drop more important threads down. While I agree with poke that the "You know you own a..." is definitely a chit chat type of thread and doesnt need to be a sticky.

Why are stickys the devil? Dont like to be organized and convenient? I can see too much of a good thing can be bad but I dont feel that it was over board, maybe just drop a couple of them. Im sure Ill get used to the new setup, but for now it seems like more clicking and searching.

mrmark 07-10-2012 07:42 AM

All that happened is 2 threads became one in this new thread. What did it really change? I bet the 2 that were put in the first post on this thread will be ignored as this thread just takes them over.

Xpress 07-10-2012 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Poke (Post 13843643)
The threads you reference are general chat threads. They are not technical. Any questions asked there that are technical would get more attention as their own posts. In my opinion the way you look at the forum is why we are having trouble with so much non tech.

Well yes, "You know you own a YJ when..." and "What makes your YJ unique?" are general chit chat threads, but the "What did you do to your YJ today?" thread is more technical than it is a general chit chat thread. Why let it run amuck down in the non stickied sections of the forum? That's unecessary and it crowds up the forum more because it's a popular forum. Nobody wants that thread being constantly bumped to the top of the non sticky section, because it's going to force threads that need attention down south where they won't get seen. Keeping it sticking is a good idea. The other 2 threads could probably be moved to GD as they are just that, General Discussion threads.

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.YJ tech is not an area to socialize and discuss that someone did today.
What about all of the build threads then? Perhaps they should be moved to GD too, because 90% of the thread is socialization and discussing what people did to their Jeeps on that particular day.

Or what about threads like the Track Bar delete threads? People talk about what they did that day to improve their suspension all the time, daily.

That is why a thread like "What did you do to your YJ today?" is absolutely perfect to have stickied to the top of this forum in particular because it cuts the crap out of the rest of the forum.

jbolty 07-10-2012 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmark (Post 13843924)
All that happened is 2 threads became one in this new thread. What did it really change? I bet the 2 that were put in the first post on this thread will be ignored as this thread just takes them over.


I think that's probably true. Need a better solution for those, see below.


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Originally Posted by Xpress (Post 13844520)
Well yes, "You know you own a YJ when..." and "What makes your YJ unique?" are general chit chat threads, but the "What did you do to your YJ today?" thread is more technical than it is a general chit chat thread. Why let it run amuck down in the non stickied sections of the forum? That's unecessary and it crowds up the forum more because it's a popular forum. Nobody wants that thread being constantly bumped to the top of the non sticky section, because it's going to force threads that need attention down south where they won't get seen. Keeping it sticking is a good idea. The other 2 threads could probably be moved to GD as they are just that, General Discussion threads.



What about all of the build threads then? Perhaps they should be moved to GD too, because 90% of the thread is socialization and discussing what people did to their Jeeps on that particular day.

Or what about threads like the Track Bar delete threads? People talk about what they did that day to improve their suspension all the time, daily.

That is why a thread like "What did you do to your YJ today?" is absolutely perfect to have stickied to the top of this forum in particular because it cuts the crap out of the rest of the forum.


The "what did I do today" thread gets a fair amount of posts so it probably should be put back as its own stickie. Everyone seems to like the idea of a Chat thread so that should probably stay as is then maybe one more container added for the other non-tech posts.

The reality is that the definition of "tech" is pretty loose. Essentially anything that requires a tool of any kind or sandpaper is tech.

The problem with stickies in general is if there are too many then they are no longer special or receive any extra attention. Plus as I mentioned earlier the entire front page was taken up by stickies at one point leaving room for only about 3-4 regular threads before having to go to page 2.


A few of the mod threads like seats, junkyard mods and wheels and tires have only had a post or two in a month but they are valuable enough in my opinion to have grouped at the top of the page in the Mod super thread.

Lets get some more feedback over the rest of the day.

Right now I'm thinking this for the stickies, in no particular order

Chat thread
YJ Mods
YJOTM
FAQ
RULES
what I did today

Then maybe one more as a container for the non tech stuff that is YJ specific.


Thoughts.


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