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post #1 of 9 Old 10-27-2021, 03:49 PM Thread Starter
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Starter nose cone breakage

'95 4-banger, AX-5. Pulled the tranny and discovered my Mean Green starter was broken. No idea how long its been like this. Installed new 38# flywheel, clutch and rebuilt tranny, and a new Mean Green starter. My question is about shimming it, guessing breakage was from a lack of a required shim, but none were originally present, and it doesn't make any of the noises which would be signs of the need of a shim as discussed in the shop manual. Don't want to break another. Any thoughts anybody? Thanks

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post #2 of 9 Old 10-27-2021, 05:24 PM
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Was it starting fine before you pulled the tranny?

No odd noises to tip you off? Find that hard to believe

Or was it just sitting for a while? Maybe it was fractured but still in tact and something happened when you pulled the tranny to shatter it?

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Was it starting fine before you pulled the tranny?

No odd noises to tip you off? Find that hard to believe

Or was it just sitting for a while? Maybe it was fractured but still in tact and something happened when you pulled the tranny to shatter it?
No indication whatsoever that there was an issue. Starter is removed before tranny, nothing would of happened during removal that would have broken it. There was enough dirt on the break to suggest it had been this way for a while.

It never sits, daily driver, but short trips, so starter is used often. Starter been in there maybe two years and less than 2K miles. Pulled tranny to address TO bearing issue.

Going to slip a 1/32 or 1/64"" shim in and see what there is to see I guess.....

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honestly, looks like a mfg defect. Issue with the casting. If it worked as normal without any odd sounds, it may have had the defect from the start and any small impact could have forced it apart. I wonder if the fasteners were loose at some point after install and allowed contact between the housing and the starter?

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honestly, looks like a mfg defect. Issue with the casting. If it worked as normal without any odd sounds, it may have had the defect from the start and any small impact could have forced it apart. I wonder if the fasteners were loose at some point after install and allowed contact between the housing and the starter?
Bolts were tight when I disassembled. You may be right, but i assumed it had to do with installation. Thinking I'll be adding the original OEM starter to my inventory of spare parts I carry.....

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honestly, looks like a mfg defect. Issue with the casting. If it worked as normal without any odd sounds, it may have had the defect from the start and any small impact could have forced it apart. I wonder if the fasteners were loose at some point after install and allowed contact between the housing and the starter?
Or some weird thing with a 10MM socket that dropped somewhere.......

If you cannot fix it with a hammer then it has to be an electrical problem.
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Or some weird thing with a 10MM socket that dropped somewhere.......
TWO

get it right TWO 10mm sockets dropped into the bellhousing.
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Or some weird thing with a 10MM socket that dropped somewhere.......
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TWO

get it right TWO 10mm sockets dropped into the bellhousing.
I dunno about you guys, but it always seems to be that damn E12 socket for me. (I think that's the size? the reverse torx for the two bolts on the top of the bellhousing). Always falls straight into the crank sensor hole. Every. Single. Time.

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The starter motors for my YJís are about the only thing Iíll get remaníed from big box stores simply because they are so easy to remove and replace. I have had good luck with my current one. I think itís been working fine for at least 8-10 years. I even used it a handful of times to get my jeep out of the road in breakdown situations.


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