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post #1 of 33 Old 08-25-2019, 12:52 PM Thread Starter
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Scared of my own Jeep!

Brief history - had a 99 TJ and then an 08 JK. Loved the TJ, never really fell for the JK. Got a hair up my butt and bought a 94 YJ. Ive always liked older more simplistic cars anyway.

So Ive had this thing for a couple of weeks and really only drove it home from the test drive. A day later I realized I needed a new water pump. Ive replaced it, a thermostat and the housing. Ive changed the oil and have been working at flushing the coolant system because I have no idea how old this crap is inside.

Now its done. I drove to get some gas in it, again, it has been sitting for awhile and so far no leaks.

Im not the most confident person on the planet and am by no means a mechanic.

Why the hell am I so scared of breaking down? Is it just because its so old and I dont know it well yet?


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post #2 of 33 Old 08-25-2019, 12:59 PM
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Welcome to the club - the more you know the more there is to worry about.

Dumb and happy - sounds good.
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When I see the price of OEM I think aftermarket.
When I see the quality of aftermarket I think OEM.
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post #3 of 33 Old 08-25-2019, 01:07 PM
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It gets worse as you learn you always notice when something isn't perfect but you'll also discover you can do almost anything on the side of the road with basic hand tools if needed. You'll stop worrying as much about breaking down once you get some miles on it and confidence in your ability. Start out with short drives and go further as your confidence builds in it. When I first bought my 93 the thing literally had a major break down every two weeks. I kept fixing it till it got cold then I parked it. When the weather broke I went nuts fixing stuff now mine has taken over DD duty I trust it implicitly

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post #4 of 33 Old 08-25-2019, 01:12 PM
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After a while of driving it and working on it you will know everything about it. You will be changing fuel pumps on the side of the road and doing u joints in the parking lot.

Not to mention whenever I break down at least three people stop and ask if I need help. Even in the backwoods.

Make your personalized tool kit, and roll with the punches. After 1000 or so miles you’ll have most the kinks ironed out.
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post #5 of 33 Old 08-25-2019, 01:23 PM
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this topic reminds me of my used car theory...

Someone has a car for sale, good condition, looks good, its paid, dependable, reasonably priced, no issues.

They wont keep as a second or third vehicle, no one in the family wants it, no co workers or church member are interested, neighbors are not lining up, Am I really that lucky (ha ha)
thinking is what am am really getting?

Any way we will all try to help as best we can....

When I see the price of OEM I think aftermarket.
When I see the quality of aftermarket I think OEM.
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Brief history - had a 99 TJ and then an 08 JK. Loved the TJ, never really fell for the JK. Got a hair up my butt and bought a 94 YJ. I’ve always liked older more simplistic cars anyway.

So I’ve had this thing for a couple of weeks and really only drove it home from the test drive. A day later I realized I needed a new water pump. I’ve replaced it, a thermostat and the housing. I’ve changed the oil and have been working at flushing the coolant system because I have no idea how old this crap is inside.

Now it’s done. I drove to get some gas in it, again, it has been sitting for awhile and so far no leaks.

I’m not the most confident person on the planet and am by no means a mechanic.

Why the hell am I so scared of breaking down? Is it just because it’s so old and I don’t know it well yet?


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What engine do you have? The 4.0L I6 (Straight 6 cylinder) is consistently in the top 5 engines of all time when magazines do lists like that in terms of reliability. If they're maintained properly I regularly see them with 300k+ miles. I've got one with 450k+ miles with the first major repair being a front differential. Hell, even abused ones are tanks. The less reliable 4.2L (straight 6 engines are known for durability even more than straight 4 engines) in my Jeep is still going strong. I once drove it 1 hours or close to 100 miles with qt of oil in it. It's a 6qt system, I was 5qts low... And that was just the trip I took that day, no idea how long it was that low. Later that year, I rolled it at 60mph. After that, I fell asleep driving a couple years later and drove it through one of those metal signs that's a trailer. Yellow plastic that you slide letters into to change the message inside a heavy metal frame. I cut that in half and at the time I had a structural "C"-beam for a front bumper that was either used for supporting the factory floor at a new GM plant or for the support for a sky scraper that was leftover from one of the jobs I was working. " thick steel and obviously designed for massive loads. It was bent back at a 45 angle. That was 100k miles and 15 years ago. Then I parked it for 5 years, walked out and started it no problem. After sitting 10 years with no start, it still fired up with a little Seafoam and starting fluid. I'm restoring it right now. The entire time I've owned it, the main seal has been leaking, with it going out completely the last 6 months I drove it and was leaking about 3qts in a 30 min drive, so I was always driving it with low oil and I'd replace it with used oil out of a riverboat. In total, of the 25 years I've owned it, here's a list of driveline repairs I've had to do: slave cylinder went out and I replaced it but didn't do it right and had to redo it 6 months later. Since the older transmissions, it was internal (your newer one, they fixed that design flaw), I replaced the clutch while I had the transmission out the second time. I replaced the master cylinder then as well. 3rd gear synchro replaced then as well (a known issue with that model, again they addressed that design flaw in your transmission). The clutch in the fan broke, replaced with a $20 flex fan. The 4 wheel actuator on the front axle stopped working when it's vacuum line rotted out, replaced with a mechanical cable. The computer went out suddenly, replaced with an MSD ignition (stand alone ignition used in race applications). Mechanical/manual choke cable installed and emissions/catalytic converter removed (I'm in Michigan, so no emissions test). With that stuff removed and the new ignition, I don't need vacuum for anything and have eliminated almost every sensor and all the electrical that's not for accessories. Main seal replaced with engine still in the truck. The front axle u-joints have been bad since I bought it and I still haven't replaced them. After my first restoration and the trans work, I drove it home and the suspension was so bad I was terrified I was going to crash, replaced all 4 leaf packs with a 4" BDS lift kit (when you replace your springs you get whatever the lift is ON TOP of the factory height, and since your springs are old, they're sagging. I got about 7" when I was done.). Everything else I've done has been maintenance or cosmetic. Does that give you an idea of how tough the YJ is? Listen, smell, and feel for things out of the normal and address them, and you'll be fine.
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post #7 of 33 Old 08-25-2019, 01:50 PM
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By 95 they had worked out most of the design flaws in them, do it's def a good year to own. Just think about the first ones if you want confidence lol. 87-89 still had the AMC driveline, which is a cobble job of Ford, GM, and Chrysler parts AMC could buy off the shelf. When I replaced my ignition, none of the Jeep wiring diagrams were quite right. My Dad told me to look up a Ford one. Sure as s***, it was a color for color match for an 86 Bronco LMAO! Plus they still had all the design flaws like the transmission with an internal slave cylinder and synchros that were unreliable. They replaced the entire transmission for a much improved design in the early 90s.
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post #8 of 33 Old 08-25-2019, 02:09 PM
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I drove mine every day for nearly ten years straight. It was my main vehicle, and the most reliable of all the 90's vehicles I had owned.

Now that it's no longer my daily driver, I get worried about driving it 70 miles. I just don't drive it as often, so I guess I don't trust it as much anymore. Logically, that doesn't make any sense, since it's still the same incredibly reliable and easy-to-work-on vehicle that it's always been. I've driven this thing on 500 mile trips (one-way) without any issues.

The 4th 5-seater YJ in the world.
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post #9 of 33 Old 08-25-2019, 02:33 PM
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Brief history - had a 99 TJ and then an 08 JK. Loved the TJ, never really fell for the JK. Got a hair up my butt and bought a 94 YJ. I’ve always liked older more simplistic cars anyway.

So I’ve had this thing for a couple of weeks and really only drove it home from the test drive. A day later I realized I needed a new water pump. I’ve replaced it, a thermostat and the housing. I’ve changed the oil and have been working at flushing the coolant system because I have no idea how old this crap is inside.

Now it’s done. I drove to get some gas in it, again, it has been sitting for awhile and so far no leaks.

I’m not the most confident person on the planet and am by no means a mechanic.

Why the hell am I so scared of breaking down? Is it just because it’s so old and I don’t know it well yet?


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What engine do you have? The 4.0L I6 (Straight 6 cylinder) is consistently in the top 5 engines of all time when magazines do lists like that in terms of reliability. If they're maintained properly I regularly see them with 300k+ miles. I've got one with 450k+ miles with the first major repair being a front differential. Hell, even abused ones are tanks. The less reliable 4.2L (straight 6 engines are known for durability even more than straight 4 engines) in my Jeep is still going strong. I once drove it 1 hours or close to 100 miles with qt of oil in it. It's a 6qt system, I was 5qts low... And that was just the trip I took that day, no idea how long it was that low. Later that year, I rolled it at 60mph. After that, I fell asleep driving a couple years later and drove it through one of those metal signs that's a trailer. Yellow plastic that you slide letters into to change the message inside a heavy metal frame. I cut that in half and at the time I had a structural "C"-beam for a front bumper that was either used for supporting the factory floor at a new GM plant or for the support for a sky scraper that was leftover from one of the jobs I was working. " thick steel and obviously designed for massive loads. It was bent back at a 45 angle. That was 100k miles and 15 years ago. Then I parked it for 5 years, walked out and started it no problem. After sitting 10 years with no start, it still fired up with a little Seafoam and starting fluid. I'm restoring it right now. The entire time I've owned it, the main seal has been leaking, with it going out completely the last 6 months I drove it and was leaking about 3qts in a 30 min drive, so I was always driving it with low oil and I'd replace it with used oil out of a riverboat. In total, of the 25 years I've owned it, here's a list of driveline repairs I've had to do: slave cylinder went out and I replaced it but didn't do it right and had to redo it 6 months later. Since the older transmissions, it was internal (your newer one, they fixed that design flaw), I replaced the clutch while I had the transmission out the second time. I replaced the master cylinder then as well. 3rd gear synchro replaced then as well (a known issue with that model, again they addressed that design flaw in your transmission). The clutch in the fan broke, replaced with a $20 flex fan. The 4 wheel actuator on the front axle stopped working when it's vacuum line rotted out, replaced with a mechanical cable. The computer went out suddenly, replaced with an MSD ignition (stand alone ignition used in race applications). Mechanical/manual choke cable installed and emissions/catalytic converter removed (I'm in Michigan, so no emissions test). With that stuff removed and the new ignition, I don't need vacuum for anything and have eliminated almost every sensor and all the electrical that's not for accessories. Main seal replaced with engine still in the truck. The front axle u-joints have been bad since I bought it and I still haven't replaced them. After my first restoration and the trans work, I drove it home and the suspension was so bad I was terrified I was going to crash, replaced all 4 leaf packs with a 4" BDS lift kit (when you replace your springs you get whatever the lift is ON TOP of the factory height, and since your springs are old, they're sagging. I got about 7" when I was done.). Everything else I've done has been maintenance or cosmetic. Does that give you an idea of how tough the YJ is? Listen, smell, and feel for things out of the normal and address them, and you'll be fine.
After reading this I am thinking driving might not be your forte

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. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)
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diagnose the real issue before you start going all Obama on it - spending mad cash you'll need for other important things.

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this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.
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After reading this I am thinking driving might not be your forte

But monstrous walls of text seem to be...


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Wasn't even going to read that... Looks like a chapter out of a book crammed into one paragraph.
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[/QUOTE]

After reading this I am thinking driving might not be your forte[/QUOTE]

LMAO! You don't know the half of it! No, I was a reckless teenager and arrogant because "I knew cars" tbh, but it was actually just a combination of bad luck with the crashes. The roll, I was pulling a short U-Haul trailer with light furniture in it, and the trailer broke, throwing the back of my Jeep sideways on dry pavement. And the other, I'd been fishing in the sun all day, and was fatigued when the long dull drive home in the dark snuck up on me. I learned to pull over if I'm tired now regardless. But back then, where I lived if you did that and a cop saw you, they'd ticket you the same as if you were on prescriptions and seemed loopy. Not as bad as drunk driving, but not good either. I've literally had State Troopers kick me out of rest stops, telling me you couldn't stop and rest (sleep, but I couldn't resist the play on words) there. Michigan is a funky state. But yeah, I've got rotten vehicle luck. Besides those two, I've had someone run a red light and I drove over their hood, someone merge into my Jeep next to a semi so it was they hit me or I hit the truck, merge into my motorcycle, rolled a second Jeep on black ice, been in a Humvee when an IED took out the front, and my coupe de tat? I rolled my Ford Expedition 2 years ago when a sheet of wood flew off the truck in front of me and cut my tire right in half, completely crushing the cab. I went out the sunroof because there wasn't any cab left for me to fit in and broke my spine in 17 places, crushed my chest, broke my skull, arm, and leg, etc. I lived in the hospital for a year, then spent the next year in therapy. I'm lucky they revived me on the scene, let alone that I'm able to walk again... Lost my job/career (brain damage and memory problems. Don't remember 90% of my schooling and was an engineer), my house, my car obviously, even my fiance. Just this summer, I'm finally going back to work, moving back out of my Dad's house, and going out boating, quads, etc and living again, even met the love of my life, got married, and got back to my roots introducing her to the Jeep life. Carrying a wallet again (sounds weird, right?). I used to joke I'd carry a wallet when I was a person again. Not working, I didn't have my own money, and I couldn't drive, so I didn't need a wallet. Plus when you're in a wheelchair, people as a general rule don't see you anymore. They see the chair. They don't talk TO you either, they talk AT you. It's not even intentional, it's just that they feel awkward and overcompensate. I didn't even realize it until I was in the chair. Even my family did it to me until I pointed it out. They're so used to taking care of you as well, that they just do it or assume you need stuff, and you do and it's appreciated, but it leaves you feeling like you're incapable and incompetent. That's why people who end up handicapped have such high depression rates. Totally went on a rant there, lol... But hey, if you ever end up like me, your whole life suddenly is lived through the internet, and the only social contact you have is message boards and forums.
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Wasn't even going to read that... Looks like a chapter out of a book crammed into one paragraph.
Jeep make truck good, no break much, such reliable much go, no scared.
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