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Saw this article and thought of this thread

http://www.onallcylinders.com/2016/0...onversion-kit/

After looking through the pictures, it really makes me want a lift. So many projects would be so much easier with a lift!


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Saw this article and thought of this thread

http://www.onallcylinders.com/2016/0...onversion-kit/

After looking through the pictures, it really makes me want a lift. So many projects would be so much easier with a lift!
It's a shame the cost to go locking hubs and better axles for the dana 30 cost so much. I'm thinking a serviceable Waggy 44 will save me quite a bit over the D30 even with the addition of wheels.
It was a nice article and yes a lift would make life much easier. I have access to a friends shop so I can use a lift when I am in dire need.

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It's a shame the cost to go locking hubs and better axles for the dana 30 cost so much. I'm thinking a serviceable Waggy 44 will save me quite a bit over the D30 even with the addition of wheels.
It was a nice article and yes a lift would make life much easier. I have access to a friends shop so I can use a lift when I am in dire need.
And for a few more dollars but still less than a totally polished up 30. You can build a Dana sixty or 56

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And for a few more dollars but still less than a totally polished up 30. You can build a Dana sixty or 56
Are you including the cost of the axle? Kingpin 60 or SuperDuty 60? Considering every part is going to be more expensive for the 60 I don't see how that math adds up.

Around here you can't find a 60 for less than $1000-$1500. You can polish up a 30 pretty well for that kind of $$$.


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Are you including the cost of the axle? Kingpin 60 or SuperDuty 60? Considering every part is going to be more expensive for the 60 I don't see how that math adds up.

Around here you can't find a 60 for less than $1000-$1500. You can polish up a 30 pretty well for that kind of $$$.
I paid $150 for 50 carcass.... and $150 for the sterling. $50 dollars in axle shafts to put 60 shafts into the 50 center Chunk.... so I have $200 into my Dana 56 build 35 spline axle shafts and 4.30 gears. Around here you can buy a sixty for $400 on a bad day. $150-300 normally. I thought I was buying a sixty but was wrong so I built the 56.

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So that is basically using stock/used parts? What about gears and locker? You will also have brackets, tabs etc to get it under the Jeep, wheels, new driveshafts or conversion joints...


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So that is basically using stock/used parts? What about gears and locker? You will also have brackets, tabs etc to get it under the Jeep, wheels, new driveshafts or conversion joints...
4.30s that came with it are fine for me. Lincoln electric provided the locker brackets and tabs don't count because even with th thirty you need to replace them if you wheel it hard. Drive shafts where easy, cut the front shaft and weld it back up the rear is fairly easy as well, I am running a stock zj drive shaft because of the stretch. Going to bigger axles is no more expensive than properly building small axles and or doing the supporting mods to wheel them.

My total parts list for the front because that is what is being discussed

Axle 200
Mile marker lockouts nib $50
Solid diff cover $50
Steering $250
Brackets $200
750 total. I made a few brackets myself out of plate stock I already had.

And most people are fine on stock 35 spline inners the most common failure in my club is a blown stub or u joint.

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around here I can buy dana 44 in the 200 to 300 range most likely with 4.30 gears so that keeps the basic wheelbase the same. Hopefully a posi unit for the rear and I don't know for the the waggy front. But I should be able to source some steel wheels pretty cheap and that is a marked improvement over stock axles and fits my criteria very well.

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What does axle selection have to do with wheelbase?


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What does axle selection have to do with wheelbase?
He meant track width
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He meant track width
Slap some h1s or h2s on a sixty.


Hell my crawler is 77.5 inches wide no complaints here.
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A lot of options exist if you are operating outside of the factory parameters however my goal is to stay close. I am building an expedition rig not a full on crawler and I have to consider all compromises. I believe that with 33's 4.0, AX-15, NP231, dana 44's should work well and be plenty strong and reliable.
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I should also say that my comments are for the people looking to build an axle for hardcore abuse, like what we have in new England. Wet mossy muddy rocks means a lot of skinny pedal, and lots of carnage.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the beasts and watching them get medieval on the trail. I however am not building that.

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