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post #91 of 113 Old 11-07-2019, 09:37 PM
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The was a recall on the 1991-1993 YJ due to the location of the starter relay activation pin and the main battery + pin at the firewall bulkhead. Later models had a different bulkhead pinout. The recall only affected manual transmissions. So maybe you have a harness from a later model or the recall was never done on your Jeep?

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http://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/1993/RC-93V083-NN.PDF


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post #92 of 113 Old 11-08-2019, 06:53 AM
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Another example of why this forum it’s so important

[size=3]Shackles & D-rings are different things.
Cranking IS turning over
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I do believe the harness is from a 94 or 95 so you are probably correct. I really suck with wiring hence why I decided to just replace the entire harness. I do know that I had to use the adapter that came with the harness to hook up my reverse lights. The on that was on there didnt fit. Thats what makes me think nuetral safety switch. For the moment I rigged up a push button start but I dont want to leave it that way. I was looking at some diagrams last night but mine didnt have the bulkhead connector. I will try to specifically find that pin out so I can get this fixed right.

On a brighter not I suck with wiring. I replaced the harness in the dark and it seems this is my only issue so I am kinda happy about that. I even drove it to work this morning. Shes running beautiful again and I forgot how much power she had before the issues started. Now the girlfriend is telling me we are going trail riding monday since we are both off. I think she loves this jeep more than I do.

Anyone got any tips on moving the pin in the connector so I dont destroy it. I will practice on the old harness before moving it on my good one.

Thanks to all that have been chiming in and helping I really appreciate it.

Oh and I am still using the old computer my new one got delayed. The nut in it for the bolt ripped out so I have the connector zip tied on. I will be putting the replacment in this weekend and this one will become a trail spare or possibly help out someone thats desperate if that arises.

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post #94 of 113 Old 11-08-2019, 08:11 AM
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The pins on the bulkhead are standard Packard/Delphi pins. Once the wedge is removed, a small screwdriver or pick can be used to depress the locking tab on the terminal to remove.

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The was a recall on the 1991-1993 YJ due to the location of the starter relay activation pin and the main battery + pin at the firewall bulkhead. Later models had a different bulkhead pinout. The recall only affected manual transmissions. So maybe you have a harness from a later model or the recall was never done on your Jeep?

Recall info can be found here

http://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/1993/RC-93V083-NN.PDF
Dude you are awesome. Thank you this had the instructions on which wires and even how to move them. Looks like I have something else to do saturday

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. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)
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this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.
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Just discovered I have no horn. So I guess I'll be tracing that out this weekend too

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. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)
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this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.
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post #97 of 113 Old 11-08-2019, 06:43 PM
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Just discovered I have no horn. So I guess I'll be tracing that out this weekend too
Who needs a horn? There is a finger on both of my hands that replaces it.....

If you cannot fix it with a hammer then it has to be an electrical problem.
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post #98 of 113 Old 11-09-2019, 09:26 AM
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Just discovered I have no horn. So I guess I'll be tracing that out this weekend too
Check for voltage before you drive yourself crazy with the wires. It just seems that that is one that doesn’t move or change. It could be as much as a bad connection

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Just discovered I have no horn. So I guess I'll be tracing that out this weekend too
That's my current method but when I have kids in the jeep it's frowned upon.

Who needs a horn? There is a finger on both of my hands that replaces it.....
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Just discovered I have no horn. So I guess I'll be tracing that out this weekend too
Check for voltage before you drive yourself crazy with the wires. It just seems that that is one that doesn’t move or change. It could be as much as a bad connection
I was just looking at the pinouts and saw it was the same. I am gonna put a known good relay in. The pdc on the new harness came with relays in it but I don't know thier status I am gonna swap my known good relay in and see if it's getting the trigger signal

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. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)
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diagnose the real issue before you start going all Obama on it - spending mad cash you'll need for other important things.

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this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.
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Well now I'm waiting to hear back from dead jeeps on eBay. The harness has the speed sensor circuit at the sensor and the starter circuit at the pdc but both are missing at the bulk head connector and I found a vampire tap on 2 power wires under the connector cover when I took it off. I order a stock untouched harness and I had to splice field coil wires that were ripped off some of the connectors were missing the retaining clips and the bulk head connector is cracked and missing 2 circuits so we will see what happens when I talk to them Monday. We will see if they wanna make it right. I confirmed missing circuits by counting pins my stock had 17 this one had 15. Some of the colors were different too. Definitly not the 95 harness I ordered.

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. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)
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diagnose the real issue before you start going all Obama on it - spending mad cash you'll need for other important things.

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this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.
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So I tried test continuity from the connector to the relay and got nothing. I found a diagram that matches the colors though the starter switch pin isn't in the right spot. If I jump 12v to the pin I think it it it should engage the starter or worst case blow a fuse right?

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. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)
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diagnose the real issue before you start going all Obama on it - spending mad cash you'll need for other important things.

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this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.
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post #102 of 113 Old 11-10-2019, 09:59 AM
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seems reasonable

[size=3]Shackles & D-rings are different things.
Cranking IS turning over
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Sooo I just got off the phone with Dead Jeeps where I got the harness. Amazing customer service I explained what I am seeing and before I was halfway through they issued a return label and were sending a replacement. Awesome awesome company I would highly recommend them. Once I get the new one and get it in.

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. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)
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diagnose the real issue before you start going all Obama on it - spending mad cash you'll need for other important things.

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this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.
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post #104 of 113 Old 11-14-2019, 08:33 PM
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If I'm not mistaken the horn only works with the key on drove me nuts try'n to figure out why mine didn't work till I discovered that little tidbit.

When in doubt and you can't figure it out, Stand on it !
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If I'm not mistaken the horn only works with the key on drove me nuts try'n to figure out why mine didn't work till I discovered that little tidbit.
Varies. Generally 91 and earlier Jeeps/ harness, the horn always works. 92-95 I don’t think they work with ignition off. Not sure but that’s what I think.

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