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post #31 of 88 Old 03-16-2020, 09:55 PM
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I used WFO hoops and without thinking I welded the support tubes to either side of the hoop instead of behind it. The hoop still flexed enough to touch my inner fenders. I mounted them with about 1/4-1/8" of clearance.

They're laying outside of my garage if you want them for the cost of shipping, Dave.



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I used WFO hoops and without thinking I welded the support tubes to either side of the hoop instead of behind it. The hoop still flexed enough to touch my inner fenders. I mounted them with about 1/4-1/8" of clearance.

They're laying outside of my garage if you want them for the cost of shipping, Dave.



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dragging my old thread up from the dead.. sheesh. 3 years in the making. From Ford Towers, to M.O.R.E, back to Ford Towers and now Trail Gear.

I have just ordered the Trail Gear universal hoops with some Bilstein 5125's and did have a question to anyone who has ran something similar or not, but have the understanding to guide me through this as i am renting a welder as usual, and want to pay minimum (1 day).

In some cases i have noticed some thick flat stock welded or even bolted in some cases to the frame in order to plate it, and then the hoop weldment burned into that. Evidently it's for extra support/rigidity.

My question: is it necessary? Is the YJ frame that weak that it would tear apart under too much pressure? I would understand in a coil over setup, but for my purposes?

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dragging my old thread up from the dead.. sheesh. 3 years in the making. From Ford Towers, to M.O.R.E, back to Ford Towers and now Trail Gear.

I have just ordered the Trail Gear universal hoops with some Bilstein 5125's and did have a question to anyone who has ran something similar or not, but have the understanding to guide me through this as i am renting a welder as usual, and want to pay minimum (1 day).

In some cases i have noticed some thick flat stock welded or even bolted in some cases to the frame in order to plate it, and then the hoop weldment burned into that. Evidently it's for extra support/rigidity.

My question: is it necessary? Is the YJ frame that weak that it would tear apart under too much pressure? I would understand in a coil over setup, but for my purposes?
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Ford towers are as about as straight forward you can get.... I have a used set cheap.
i went back and forth on this for 3 years lol.

Going with the DOM tubing as it suits my form wants as much as my functional needs. Mall cred. These JL boys are stealing all the attention.

Plus already bought them, just awaiting their arrival.

So any input on any necessity to plate the frame?

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I hear that...

I did run a doubler plate between the frame the bottom the shock hoops, but only because I'm running air shocks and they are supporting the full weight. In your situation I don't think it's necessary unless you think you may transition to and air shock suspension later
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dragging my old thread up from the dead.. sheesh. 3 years in the making. From Ford Towers, to M.O.R.E, back to Ford Towers and now Trail Gear.

I have just ordered the Trail Gear universal hoops with some Bilstein 5125's and did have a question to anyone who has ran something similar or not, but have the understanding to guide me through this as i am renting a welder as usual, and want to pay minimum (1 day).

In some cases i have noticed some thick flat stock welded or even bolted in some cases to the frame in order to plate it, and then the hoop weldment burned into that. Evidently it's for extra support/rigidity.

My question: is it necessary? Is the YJ frame that weak that it would tear apart under too much pressure? I would understand in a coil over setup, but for my purposes?
I had the same Trail Gear hoops from WFO back when I had the D30 and didn't plate the frame. Just welded to the face and ran the supports.

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Thanks guys.

Appreciate that.

Will not be transitioning to air suspension. I like the idea of sticking with leafs (SOA) to keep things somewhat traditional with my end goal for this YJ.

That said, I'm going to burn them into the face of the frame as Timatoe pointed out and go from there.

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Agreed. I plated, but itís really not necessary for just shocks. Honestly the gussets arenít really needed either. I never ran them when it was just shocks.

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Good to know.

I'd like to put the supports in just because they are there. But I'm not going to go through the trouble of pulling the inner fender to do so.

If there is space, I'll do what I can.

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dragging my old thread up from the dead.. sheesh. 3 years in the making. From Ford Towers, to M.O.R.E, back to Ford Towers and now Trail Gear.

I have just ordered the Trail Gear universal hoops with some Bilstein 5125's and did have a question to anyone who has ran something similar or not, but have the understanding to guide me through this as i am renting a welder as usual, and want to pay minimum (1 day).

In some cases i have noticed some thick flat stock welded or even bolted in some cases to the frame in order to plate it, and then the hoop weldment burned into that. Evidently it's for extra support/rigidity.

My question: is it necessary? Is the YJ frame that weak that it would tear apart under too much pressure? I would understand in a coil over setup, but for my purposes?
I ended up just making my own hoops out some 1.5" tube. I welded them directly on top of the frame. I didn't install any gusseting or reinforcement plating, but i did make a removable crossover support bar that connected both hoops together. It was nice to be able to use really long shocks that are up and out of harms way. I pounded on that jeep for many years and never had any issues with the hoops.
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dragging my old thread up from the dead.. sheesh. 3 years in the making. From Ford Towers, to M.O.R.E, back to Ford Towers and now Trail Gear.

I have just ordered the Trail Gear universal hoops with some Bilstein 5125's and did have a question to anyone who has ran something similar or not, but have the understanding to guide me through this as i am renting a welder as usual, and want to pay minimum (1 day).

In some cases i have noticed some thick flat stock welded or even bolted in some cases to the frame in order to plate it, and then the hoop weldment burned into that. Evidently it's for extra support/rigidity.

My question: is it necessary? Is the YJ frame that weak that it would tear apart under too much pressure? I would understand in a coil over setup, but for my purposes?
I ended up just making my own hoops out some 1.5" tube. I welded them directly on top of the frame. I didn't install any gusseting or reinforcement plating, but i did make a removable crossover support bar that connected both hoops together. It was nice to be able to use really long shocks that are up and out of harms way. I pounded on that jeep for many years and never had any issues with the hoops.
I dont have the means to make something like these, but at the sale price of $85 CAD for the deuce, I wouldnt be able to make them any cheaper.

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I dont have the means to make something like these, but at the sale price of $85 CAD for the deuce, I wouldnt be able to make them any cheaper.
I guess i wasn't to clear in my posting, but i was trying to convey that the route i went with on my shock hoops worked great. Whether you make your own or buy a set of premade ones, it shouldn't make a difference as long as you make your welds strong. And you shouldn't have any issues with the towers tearing off of the frame since you'd only be installing a basic shock rather than a coilover.
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Well. They are here. Primed and painted.

I was downstairs messing around with a mock. How did any of you who went with this style hoop hold them in place while you tacked them in?

Clamping force braced by the opposite side of the frame is what I am thinking but havent tried. Would that work?
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im no expert by any means but I would assume c-clamps should hold them in place especially with the round flat spots on the bottom of the hoops. A ratchet strap would be another item i would try using.

Just curious do the hoops come with braces or do you need to make your own?


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