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post #1 of 17 Old 09-18-2019, 08:36 PM Thread Starter
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Do i need door hinge inserts?

Ok. So fall is blowing in and i have picked up a new hardtop i am currently refurbing - again. I havent used my full doors in 3 winters. Other than some internal refurbing i will be doing and expectedly so, my passenger side seems to be off, hanging low tilted down towards the rear. They were stored pretty neatly and haven't moved in those 3 years. I had never messed with the hinges as these are the original doors to my jeep. They fit perfectly when last removed.

These leaves me to thinking something is off with the female end of the hinge attached to the jeep body. Eye test says they are straight - but it isn't scientific. I know that in those three years the inserts within the hinge have deteriorated as i have sporadically and routinely ripped a piece out and tossed it when removing or installing the half doors.

Could the hinge inserts make up this difference and level out the door? I find that hard to believe - but maybe? Anyone have any idea? SHould i just pick some up off amazon and see? it is definitely an incongruency with the top female hinge at the tub that is causing this lean.

I should note that my half doors are improperly adjusted to that side and i really do have to twist them in there (along with this hard door now apparently) where as in the driver's side, they drop right in. Perhaps the top one is tweaked and could use some finesse shots with a hammer in conjunction with door hinge inserts?

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looking at them in the pictures, perhaps they could both use a few finesse wacks with a BFH at the upper end beating it gently towards the front of the vehicle. Now on the topic of door hinge nserts - i just assumed they were a throw away type deal. SOmethng aftermarket still made to make a few bucks here and there off OCD YJ owners who need everything perfect. Does anybody actually run them and replace them after wear and tear? Should i pick them up or are they pointless for the most part?

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my thought on it is, if they are straight (i'll measure tomorrow). The swivelling required to get my half doors in may have worn the inside of the hole out unevenly so the door pins sit awkwardly within the hole providing this lean. Hinge insert/bushings,would probably help with this.

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I haven't read every word in your three posts, but my pins and inserts are OE. Had no idea they were a replaceable part.

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mine are deteriorated... some of the inside as well, and the top 'mushroom' section of it which should sit on the rim and actually get sandwched between both mating surfaces of the hinges are actually non-existant. i suppose these couldn't hurt.

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Loosen all the hinge bolts, door and body, shut the door and get it right where you want it to be and tighten the bolts.

I have to do this every time I switch from my half doors to my full doors.

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so what you're saying is these hinge liners are pointless?

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seems to address alignment issues, i'll look into it tomorrow evening - but i think i have wallowed out the body hinge unevenly. I'll know more tomorrow.

Keep the info coming gents!

i may just go full bore and really refurb these doors. They look like they need some love. Interior panels are good for the garbage - internal linkages need to be inspected, some sound deadener couldn't hurt, the passenger side outer seal looks like a racoon has been biting at it in spots, etc etc.

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so what you're saying is these hinge liners are pointless?


I canít tell you whether they are pointless or not but Iíve never had them on my Jeep, ever. Lol

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Meh. 23$ total for the two doors. Ordered new panels for the Interior too. Just gonna do it all up. They havent received any love since 1995

I will follow up on this to display if the 'bushings' did anything to close that gap and level out the door any just in case someone was curious.

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The door alignment in the opening doesn't look all that bad. It looks more like the windshield angle is off a bit though. Has the windshield frame been folded down or replaced since the doors were last on the Jeep? Have the door strikers been removed at all in the last few years?

I'd take a quick measurement on the windshield angle. It should measure 75-1/8" with the tape measure hooked to the top edge of the windshield to the back of the tub. (taken from page 3 of the Supertop installation manual https://assets.bestop.com/files/_bes...9/51599_is.pdf)

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Drivers side door is perfect fit...door also slides and drops right in. Windshield has not been folded down in that time.

I have to leverage the half door downward to close it sometimes. I think doing that enough time has wallowed the hinge hole out a bit unevenly.

Fairly certain this is goin to fix my issue, and if required some love taps with a BFH in the right spots.

Hinges on the full doors and the jeep body have never been toyed with at all

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I didn't know the inserts fit a YJ. I thought they were for later models.

How do you use them? My pins fit the hinges so snug that I have to wiggle the door as I lower them in place or pull them off. I would have to drill out the hinge to make an insert fit. I've even thought about rubbing a little grease on there, but figured there wasn't any point. They don't squeak.

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I didn't know the inserts fit a YJ. I thought they were for later models.

How do you use them? My pins fit the hinges so snug that I have to wiggle the door as I lower them in place or pull them off. I would have to drill out the hinge to make an insert fit. I've even thought about rubbing a little grease on there, but figured there wasn't any point. They don't squeak.
The factory hinges had the inserts. Usually over time the top section wears away and only the inner part remains. That would need to be removed in order to install the new inserts.

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I didn't know the inserts fit a YJ. I thought they were for later models.

How do you use them? My pins fit the hinges so snug that I have to wiggle the door as I lower them in place or pull them off. I would have to drill out the hinge to make an insert fit. I've even thought about rubbing a little grease on there, but figured there wasn't any point. They don't squeak.
Look closely. You have the inserts thats why your hinges are snug and quite. They arent something you will see at a glance unless your jeep is white. The top part may be covered by paint if your jeep as been painted as well. But they are there. Your doors will fit pretty loosely without them

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