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post #31 of 271 Old 02-07-2021, 01:40 PM Thread Starter
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Time for the midmorning update. I went ahead and dropped the fuel tank out and started the process of shifting it to the passenger side. Its going to give me a full 1 1/4 inches of shift and hopefully another 3/4 to 1 inch of rear stretch.
I also took the opportunity to fix a fuel float issue on the sending unit and I am now going to cut fuel pump access panel in the tub so I wont need to drop the tank ever again.

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post #32 of 271 Old 02-07-2021, 01:56 PM
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my question stands and its just curiosity, what is every one using for frame side link separation?
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My Artec brackets put the frameside separation at 5.5" at the top hole with options for 4.5 and 3.5. Mine is only single triangulated though.
Most of the ones I've built were like Randon's above.....5.5" at the highest hole (which worked out best for most applications between a 35" to 37" tire), with 2 options below it @ 4.5" and 3.5".

Of note; the lower hole is ~1.5" below the frame rail.

These numbers were on ~95" WB.

When we built ~105-110" WB 4 link rear upper triangulated systems, frame separation holes were at ~6.5" - 7" separation.
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Congrats on the project... Watching closely, planning on rear link, next fall / winter...

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Ok I got the fuel tank moved over and the pump hole cut, every thing went well, tomorrow I will cut out the crossmember that sits in front of the fuel tank to give my upper axle link bracket space to compress.
I got to looking at the clocking ring for the transfer case and realized I need to move the transmission output seal some way to get it to seal against the transfer case input. I got to looking around on the computer and found that Teraflex make a seal extender so I ordered it and it should be in this week.
Tomorrow I should be able to get the fuel tank back in and get started on fitting the axle brackets.
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I like the videos he puts out and I have the link calculator but the one I have has a flaw and the lower link triangulation glitches and I'm not sure if that's affecting my numbers.
my question stands and its just curiosity, what is every one using for frame side link separation?

~6.5” to top hole.

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post #36 of 271 Old 02-08-2021, 07:26 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the measurements everyone it was most helpful.
I got the tank finished tonight, cut out the cross bracing that was in front of the tank then started working on axle placement. Unfortunately it looks like I'm only going to get 5 inches of stretch but I will take what I can get and be happy with it. Tomorrow I will do some playing with max flex and make sure I wont get any contact with the tank and hopefully the seal extender and be able to get the transfer case back in so I can finish the crossmember.
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I suspect you'll only run into issues at full bump on both sides unless you plan on having crazy amounts of uptravel. With articulation, the diff is a lot lower especially if you're set up for rock crawling with more downtravel than up. With double triangulated suspension, the axle should stay fairly centered throughout the travel as well and your flex steer will be minimal.


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I hope so. The first photo would be a full send compression event if I ever did something like that and the second is just lower then ride hight. I’m planning on travel of 5 up and 9 down.
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I hope so. The first photo would be a full send compression event if I ever did something like that and the second is just lower then ride hight. I’m planning on travel of 5 up and 9 down.
That's pretty much what I've got. I think you'll be on the bumpstops more than you realize. Your springs have to be pretty light to sit that far in the travel and you may be sitting only on the lower spring at ride height or very close to it. My Jeep is lighter than most but my rear suspension springs are 135/95 with maybe 1/2" or so of preload.

Helpful calculator if you haven't seen it yet. https://www.crawlpedia.com/spring_rate_calculator.htm
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Well I started installing the Dana 80 truss tonight and got about halfway done. I will finish up tomorrow because I lost a good bit of time when my air compressor stoped working and I ended up messing with that instead of working.
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Well I started installing the Dana 80 truss tonight and got about halfway done. I will finish up tomorrow because I lost a good bit of time when my air compressor stoped working and I ended up messing with that instead of working.
Ugh I know those times. My air compressor is about 13 years old and about a month ago it started screeching horribly and I could hear it slowing down. I was fearing my motor was shot or the compressor had frozen up....after some investigation it turns out you need to replace the belt every decade or so. Who knew!? lol
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I only got to work on the jeep for about an hour tonight. Im sure starting to love this plasma cutter as I get better with it. The first photo is the last part of the Dana 80 truss bracing that I need to narrow and fit just after I cut it. It cuts so fast that I can pick up 3/16ths that I cut 10 inches in a single pass right after it hits the floor without gloves on because there is almost no heat transfer. Everyone should have one of these things!
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Ugh I know those times. My air compressor is about 13 years old and about a month ago it started screeching horribly and I could hear it slowing down. I was fearing my motor was shot or the compressor had frozen up....after some investigation it turns out you need to replace the belt every decade or so. Who knew!? lol
Yeah, and maybe even let the water out once in awhile or check the oil if it's not an oil-less.

Quick story... had a little campbell hausfeld compressor that would'nt pump up to pressure anymore. I gave it to a co-worker. He drained about a gallon of water out of it and said it worked great. LOL> It gave me an excuse to get a bigger/better compressor that I wanted anyway.
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post #44 of 271 Old 02-11-2021, 06:51 PM Thread Starter
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Worked on the truss for a bit tonight. Im just about done with it and should be able to finish it tomorrow. Its coming out great and if I set my lower links at axle centerline I will have a full 10 inches of link separation at the axle. Im still waiting on the seal extender so I can reinstall the transfer case, hopefully I get it tomorrow. I did one more bit of preventative maintenance and drained my compressor..
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post #45 of 271 Old 02-12-2021, 07:02 PM Thread Starter
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Big news, I got my seal extender and it even came with a new seal so well done Teraflex. I got it installed and started cleaning up my clocking ring. The threading wasn't cut well so I cleaned them up and as it turns out the clocking ring is clocking more then I need it to so tomorrow Im going to drill some more holes to get it where I need it to be.
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