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post #1 of 15 Old 09-03-2018, 03:04 AM Thread Starter
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Lens And LED Upgrade With 2000 XJ

So I finally got around to purchasing LED's for my parking lights, turn signals, back up lights, and stop/brake lights.

This resulted from me putting white front lenses on my black Jeep. I like the look. Then my OCD kicked in and purchased the taillights that do away with the amber too.

https://www.amazon.com/1997-2001-Che.../dp/B01AYNB6CI


https://www.ebay.com/itm/97-01-Jeep-...-/142377078619

My problem was that regular amber 3157's and 194's showed through the white lenses, especially the one on the front, kind of destroying what I was going for.

Now my state laws say I can run white or amber up front and red or amber in the back. Now I just could have used white 3157's and 194's up front but having white up front and amber in the back also made my OCD kick in.

Somebody recommended the chrome/stealth bulbs. They are just regular bulbs with a mirror coating. Problem was the only place I could really find them was at Amazon and Ebay. Nobody really seemed to care for them. Said they were not bright, makes sense cause of the mirror coating, and they seemed to not last.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...A1BHMX27PZ5N6O


https://www.ebay.com/itm/112433722016

Then somebody suggested LED's. Now please realize I could careless about LED's. But did want to get rid of the amber showing through the white lenses.

I googled around about it and came across this:




Seemed pretty cut and dry. The Sylvanias are available anywhere. The ones he used are the cheaper ones and can even be bought at Walmart. I decided to use this style instead.


https://www.amazon.com/SYLVANIA-ZEVO...SS9BV377FW94Z2


Little more expensive but come with a lifetime warranty. Something I was not able to determine of the cheaper Sylvanias had.

I purchased all mine through Ebay but figured if I needed a quick replacement could get one almost anywhere.

So go to put them all in. Now as we know LED's have polarity. Also it is best to put the same color bulb behind the same color lens. Now you would think for a Jeep with factory tail and parking lights you could just put white everywhere. But best to put a red bulb behind the red lens. Etc.

So all the 3157's when in without a hitch. The amber ones did not show through my white lenses. I did have the hyperflashing issue. It appears hyperflashing happens because LED's draw such little watts that the flasher thinks the bulb is blown. Just like in the video you buy the LED flasher and all is good. I used the EP27L from Napa.

Problems started with the 194's in the side markers. Remember that LED's have polarity.

So putting it in one way resulted in this:
Would go on with headlights.
Would blink when using the turn signals when the headlights were on.
Would not blink when using the turn signals with the headlights off.

Putting the bulb in the other way resulted in this:
Would not light up when you turned on the headlights.
Would blink when you used the turn signals with the headlights off.
Would not blink when you used the turn signals with the headlights on.

So my buddy checked with a meter. There are only 2 wires going to the connector for the 194. Depending on what you have on or are turning on determines which wire is ground and which wire is power. One wire could be power for one application but the exact same wire could be ground for another.

Now since a regular bulb can flow in both directions it does not matter. This is where LED's having polarity cause a problem.

So at the moment I gave up on the LED 194's and put back in the regular 194's. Now I am thinking that the regular 194's are not as bright as they would be with all the other bulbs just being regular and a non LED flasher.

Also I have discovered that when you turn on your headlights the turn signal indicators in the cluster glow. Not bright like when you turn your turn signals on but visible none the less.

Googling led to a couple things.
Appears the turn signal indicator issue is something you have to live with.
They make something called Non Polarized or Switchback LED's. Which I am guessing would solve the polarity problem with the 194's.

Dumb idea I had was to get a couple side marker 194 connectors with as much wiring as possible and splice them into one of the front parking light wiring. The thinking being it would solve the polarity problem, make is so I could use the Slyvania 194 LED's that I can buy locally, and because LED's draw such little power should not be a burden on the wiring.

No idea if this is a good idea.

Still have some more research to do. Will post as I figure more things out. Just wanted to give people a heads up about this not being so cut and dry as it might appear. At least not for me.

If anybody as any thoughts, ideas, is the splicing in the connector a good or bad idea, etc please chime in.

I posted a few shots just to show you how the LED's solved most of my amber bulbs showing through the white lenses issues.

Forgot to add that I did not put an LED in my brake light on top of the hatch. Reason being I have a Spoilerlight spoiler that I have to put on and that has an LED third eye. But all the brake lights operate as they should. If anybody has put an LED in the factory third eye could you post a part number?

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post #2 of 15 Old 09-04-2018, 05:59 PM Thread Starter
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Bought these hoping they will take care of the 194 bulb problem.

https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...t-car/206/923/
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So I have good news and bad news. As I told you guys before I ordered these.

https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...t-car/206/923/

A member on another forum brought up the subject of length. Said anything more then 27mm won't fit. Well of course I did not even think about being concerned about the length. So of course the bulbs I ordered are 27.14mm. You can jam them in there the the bulb is literally pressing against the lens. Also amber still show through my white lens because of the one on the head. But no where near as offensive to me as the regular amber bulbs showing through the white lens on the front.

So on to the good news. The non polarized bulbs work as they should. Also with LED's up front my turn signal indicators are not dimly glowing anymore with my headlights on. With the exception of them just being to long, oh and the amber showing through the white lens, best I can tell everything seems to be working as it should.

So now I ordered these:

https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...t-car/199/872/

The length is 23.24mm. But thinking I am still going to be seeing a little amber behind my white lens. We shall see how these work out.
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post #4 of 15 Old 09-13-2018, 02:46 PM Thread Starter
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I want to say the side marker 194 bulb problem has been taken care of. If you remember I bought these first:

https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...t-car/206/923/

They ended up being to long and amber still showed through the lens.

So I bought these:

https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...rofit-car/199/

Perfect length and no amber showing. But here is something I did not notice when I purchased the second set.
They have a beam angle of 220 degrees. The first ones had a beam angle of 360 degrees. Now to me they look just fine.
Will try to remember to check them out after dark.
I tried to Google beam angles and all I saw was a bunch of technical jargon that went right over my head
If anybody thinks the beam angle is a problem please chime in.

Also my turn signal indicators no longer dimly glow when I turn on my headlights. Frankly I thought it was the flasher doing this. My guess is having both regular and LED bulbs was causing this.
Couple of shots to show how the amber showed through with regular 194's and how they don't with the new amber LED 194's
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Where'd you get those EGR headlight covers? They seem like they'd be great for increasing the aero of my jeep for better mileage plus some protection for my glass lenses would be nice.

Oh come on! I just fixed X and now you're doing X? Give me a break.
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Where'd you get those EGR headlight covers? They seem like they'd be great for increasing the aero of my jeep for better mileage plus some protection for my glass lenses would be nice.
Found them on Ebay. About a month ago. Shipped from England. $31 including the shipping. They are used. My curiosity go the better of me and I wanted to see them up close and personal. Never seen anything like them before. Tried Googling them but could not find anything at all about them.
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Somebody on another forum explained beam angle in terms I understand:

It's a measure of how widely the bulb illuminates, starting from directly in front.

0 degrees would be a straight line of light, like a laser

45, 60, 90 (as examples) would be cones of light of varying width

180 would mean it illuminates everything in front of it, around to the sides at 90 angles

More than 180 means it illuminates everything in front, and however much extra on the sides/rear

360 means it illuminates all angles, from the front to the sides and the back

In this application, I would say anything above 90 is acceptable.
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So a fellow forum member on another forum found a white LED for the third brake light. Appears the rear bulb is a 922. Bought a 10 pack from Amazon. Gotta love the people on the forums. Offered to send me a couple bulbs. I received them today. Even sent me a PM with the link to the bulbs. Unfortunately the link is showing different bulbs. So I can't give you a link to the exact bulbs. I think these will work though:

https://www.amazon.com/YUEKUI-42-SMD...TXQZ5WYSE2S5Q4

Now from what I read these should be red LED's because we are putting them behind a red lens. But they light up. So I am going to roll with it for now. Going to poke around and see if I can find a red one and also something for the license plate light.
He did say that a few out of the 10 pack did not work. The first one I tried would only flicker. Thinking it was just not tight in the connector. The second one I tried appears to work fine. Time will tell.
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Found them on Ebay. About a month ago. Shipped from England. $31 including the shipping. They are used. My curiosity go the better of me and I wanted to see them up close and personal. Never seen anything like them before. Tried Googling them but could not find anything at all about them.
Sadly I couldn't find anything about them either or even a listing which is a shame as they look great and would likely help with aerodynamics. Regardless keep up the good work with your build!

Oh come on! I just fixed X and now you're doing X? Give me a break.
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Sadly I couldn't find anything about them either or even a listing which is a shame as they look great and would likely help with aerodynamics. Regardless keep up the good work with your build!
I spend a lot of time looking for Jeep stuff on Craigslist and Ebay. Sometimes I am looking for specific things. Those things I just came across by accident. To be frank with you I did not know they existed for an XJ. Never thought about it till I came across them. One thing I have learned when you are looking for whatever. Overhead consoles, tail guards, factory mud flaps, factory running boards, etc. Persistence pays off. Of course being older and not having a life (LOL) helps in having the time to spend cruising the internet looking for these things.
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If you go to the Sylvania site you find this:

The color spectrum of an incandescent bulb is different than color spectrum of a white LED. This impacts the color LED you should purchase, but the easy general rule is that the bulb should match the color of the lens that covers the bulb.

Clear Lens: Depending on the application, either a white or an amber bulb can be used behind a clear lens.

Red Lens: Always choose a red LED bulb behind a red lens. If you place a white LED behind a red tail/brake lens, there will be too much orange/yellow and the light will appear pink/orange.

Amber Lens: Always choose an amber LED bulb behind an amber lens. If you place a white LED behind an amber lens, the light will appear greenish.

I thought I would post this because I went to look at the white bulb that is behind the red third brake light at night.
You can see how it does have a slight amber tint. But nothing drastic IMO. Frankly I think it is OK. Galloping horse and all. Still gets the point across. LOL.
I am going to try to see if I can find a red LED that does work here though.
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So a member on another forum pointed out that he thought a 194 was what the third brake light used. I think they are 922's. So I had the amber 194 LED's lying around that I can't use so I figured I would give it a try to see what's what. Worked and fit fine. So while I don't believe that there is anything really wrong with putting the white ones that a second member on another forum sent me in the interest of being thorough I bought this:

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...dbp/11349222-P

So the only thing that is left is the license plate bulb. And was also told a 194 would work in there too. He was right about it being a tight fit and a 194 working. Cause I believe it to be a 168 there but if you look at the packaging at the link above it also says 168. The Zevo 194 looks tight. Either it is right up against the plastic or like a sheet of paper away from it. The Zevo 194's are longer then the regular 194. So I don't know if you could use a Zevo bulb, 194 or 168, in there. Not sure how hot LED's get and would hate to get a burn mark in the lens or maybe possible crack in colder weather from being to close. The reason that I am trying to use the Slyvanias is that they can be sourced locally. If you ever need one quick. The non polarity 194's I had to use in the front side markers kind of screwed up that idea.
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So I have been having a problem with an LED for the license plate light. It is a 168 or a 194. The Slyvania 194 is just a hair to long. Looks like it is right up on the lens or a sheet of paper away from it. I ordered these:

https://store.ijdmtoy.com/Jeep-168-1...0-006-jeep.htm

They are shorter but because of the width these are also right up on the lens. Anybody who has taken that lens know how the bulb does not go straight in but is angled down into the lens. So because of that the width is causing it not to fit comfortable. Thinking of trying these:

http://store.ijdmtoy.com/2825-168-19...p.htm?CartID=1

Thing is I don't know how much it matters. Will the bulb being right up on the lens generate enough it to cause a burn over time? Could it generate enough heat to crack the lens in extreme cold because of the heat generated? Best I can tell is that LED's don't generate much heat. But would it matter anyway?

If anybody out there has a bulb they have used for the license plate light with a part number that you feel worked fine could you please let me know of it. Also if anybody has any thoughts of my real or imagined heat concerns feel free to chime in to.
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So I picked up these for the license plate light. They fit comfortably. Off Ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-168-19...72.m2749.l2649
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So I figure for the time being the quest for LED's is done.

To summarize.

My Jeep is an '00. I do not have any trailer hitch wiring. I do not have DRL's. I do have factory looking fogs but the Jeep did not come with them. Even though they look stock up front and in the passenger compartment, because I used a factory switch, they are wired like aftermarket ones would be. They will not turn off when I use my high beams like I understand factory ones would.

I mention all this because people seem to experience weird things when they try to install LED's. Figure if you know where my Jeep is at might help.

Now best I can tell every thing works as it should. I put them through every scenario I could think of. Headlights on when you using blinkers/hazards. Headlights off doing the same. Brake on with headlights on. Brake on with headlights on using turn signals. Etc. You get the idea.

Now just because I have switched to white markers you would still use the same colors that I did behind each lens for factory lens. Remember best to put a red LED behind a red lens. So on and so forth.

Amber 3157's for turn signals front and rear. 6 total.

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...bp2/11236879-P

Now the 194's in the side markers. Cause of the polarity issue non polarity bulbs for here. 2 total. In amber.

https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...t-car/199/872/

Red 3157's for rear brake lights. 2 total.

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...bp2/11236878-P

Red 194 for the third brake light. 1 total.

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...c3nid=IR-27795

White 3157's for the reverse lights. 2 total.

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...bp2/10998324-P

194 for the license plate light. 1 total. In white.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-168-19...72.m2749.l2649

Now the goal was to use LED's that could be bought locally. In case you needed one quick. Because of the polarity issue with the side markers and me not liking that the 194 Sylvanias did not fit comfortably in the license plate light, even though that might not be an issue, made that not possible. Oh well.

EDIT: I forgot to mention the LED Flasher I bought to take care of the hyperflashing issue.

​​​​​​​https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NF_EP27L
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