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post #1 of 12 Old 05-23-2020, 08:43 AM Thread Starter
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1999 Classic with Driver Door Control issues

I'm having similar issues that are driving me nuts. I'm getting power to the tan wire in the door controller, but NOTHING works in the drivers doors or any other three. No windows, locks, nothing. I bought another window controller unit and same issue. Still power to the tan wire (main hot coming in) but no control over any thing else. Any ideas? I realize that the wires through the boot may be broken, but why won't the drivers door window or mirror work? Again, I'm getting 12 volts to the unit. Brand new unit, second time.
EDIT-The door locks work through the passenger door lock switch.


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post #2 of 12 Old 05-23-2020, 09:20 AM
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....... the wires through the boot may be broken .......
Start diagnostics there.

If all the wires in the driver door wire harness test as good with your volts/ohms multi-meter and your visual inspection of each wire finds no defects, you might suspect the passenger door control module is faulty. If you need any wire circuit or wire color/wire plug identification you should have a genuine Jeep Factory Service Manual.

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The Tan wire supplies power to the LED's only. There are 2 feeds for the power, both are yellow wires. C309-6 provides power to the passenger door window and lock. C304-6 provides power to the windows. There is a splice S305 that bridges both of these. AAR you are looking for a 14 ga yellow wire. This is on page 838 or the Pacific Coast manual. I have a small keyboard and can't do a screen shot. If you're stuck, I'll dig out a full sized KB and give it a shot.
The Pacific Coast manual is downloadable .pdf., very good and less than 10 bucks
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i find haynes books easier to trace wire problems. fix all of mine,xj and wj...

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I find starting campfires easier with Haynes and Chilton's.

Genuine Jeep Service Manuals have all the information and diagrams necessary to identify, locate, test, diagnose, remove, replace, repair, and adjust everything on the Jeep. Haynes and Chilton's may have some condensed info that may be generically correct, (or not), and may have a fuzzy diagram that might or might not be correct.




I also change spark plugs even when they don't need it.
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Treelandl48 do you need a wiring diagram ?

I see conflicting info is this a 1989 or a 1999 XJ ? Hopefully a 1999.

When I see the price of OEM I think aftermarket.
When I see the quality of aftermarket I think OEM.
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I find starting campfires easier with Haynes and Chilton's.

Genuine Jeep Service Manuals have all the information and diagrams necessary to identify, locate, test, diagnose, remove, replace, repair, and adjust everything on the Jeep. Haynes and Chilton's may have some condensed info that may be generically correct, (or not), and may have a fuzzy diagram that might or might not be correct.




I also change spark plugs even when they don't need it.

if its running, plugs are good...


after plowing thru endless pages in fsm i find every wire problem in my 4 jeeps with haynes,..why do you hot shots bum rap a perfectly accurate ez source of info???
i tried both and find haynes perfect for wire trouble, colors have never been wrong g for me...
i have fixed wires in all 4 jeeps and have no more problems other than the mystery window opening that we all have ,
AND you hot shots insisted door lock trouble was computer connected till i proved you wrong.
fsm is fine if you have time. haynes gets the job done...
and 95% of wire problems are door wires and loose batt connections

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I don't know who is being a hot shot, I just tell people what I have found to be true. Let's just agree that the genuine Jeep FSM is 99.9 % correct, instead of 85% correct, fully and completly detailed, instead of condensed, generic, and sometimes just wrong, and they are less expensive. I have bought several 4x4's that came with a Haynes or Chilton's and I have been disappointed by them every time.

Drivers door wiring isn't complicated, most of the problems are due to broken wires, and most of the rest of the problems are due to failed switch assemblies.



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haynes wire info is perfect for 99% of jeep wire problems. dont mislead people into needing to waste time plowing thru the fsm....sure its right, so what.
i have both. so far i fix all jeeps with haynes, its faster

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I have the FSM wirng diagram

And the only power into the door controller is the tan wire from F81. The yellow wires come from the unlock side of the lock momentary switch. There should be 12 volts on it, but it will have continuity from tan when unlocked.


I may have that wrong, let me know, thanks.
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While on the topic of door locks, mine quit except the hatch a couple of years ago. They just started not working one at a time. It's not a big issue for me since I don't have a problem locking the doors manually however now the car seems to be possessed and the door lock motors start running without any input even when the ignition is off. Usually a combination of playing with the window controls and door lock control will stop it. My concern is that it's going to run my battery dead if I'm not around to stop it. Is there an easy way to deactivate the power to the system. I have to agree with CJ7-Tim, my Haynes shows two different schematics for the later model (mine is a '99) door locks and neither is very helpful.
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..... the car seems to be possessed and the door lock motors start running without any input even when the ignition is off.
Classic symptoms for a short circuit or broken wires. You could cut and isolate the lock wires that have voltage on the inside of the Cherokee, but since the problem is likely a broken wire, you could stop the Amityville locks by fixing the wires also.

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