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#1 ·
:brickwall :mad: :thumbdown:

This is about Unions... like or dislike...

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I've been a member of a Union all my life. I firmly believe in Unions as far as wages and benifits for jobs, in relation to labor. Being in construction, it has been a big asset.

However, I just got a recorded message from the Union, today, telling me to vote for Hillary, b/c they, have decided that's who I and all other union members should vote for. Why should my monthly union dues go towards politcal garbage, be it Dem OR GOP???

I call BS!!!

ok, I'm done.
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#8 ·
Hey, guess what, that's what unions do! They get you in, and tell you how to act. You loose who you are by joining one. Promotions and pay are not based upon how you do, but merely how long you can go without screwing up. Unions had their place in the late 1800's and early 1900's, but today, with the law structure the way it is, they are only a breeding ground for life-long democrats and whinos.

I truly mean no offense to a fellow Jeeper, that is just my view on unions as they stand. My father is in the NEA and acts just like I described. I think they are worthless.
 
#11 ·
Neener Neener said:
I velieve the NEA (Teacher's Union) has also backed Hitlery......sorry......Hillary. They are also historically Democrat supporters.
Yep. He thinks she is the best thing since Clinton #1! ****!
 
#12 ·
unions are just as important today as they were 100 years ago.

businesses are just as ruthless as they were then, and in some cases are even worse.

do you really think that businesses today want to pay you a living wage? want to cover part of your healthcare? want to pay you if you get hurt on the job?

everything everyone takes for granted in the workforce these days was fought for by unions, and is still being fought for.
 
#15 ·
unions are just as important today as they were 100 years ago.
In your opinion maybe, but I'm sure most economists would disagree with you, as would most major corporations that have been run into the ground thanks to Union demands with regards to salary, benefits, retirement, work schedules etc.....

businesses are just as ruthless as they were then, and in some cases are even worse.
No, they aren't, in fact, I challenge you to show me any instance in which a situation such as the Molly McGuires has occurred or even been warranted in the last 25 years in the United States.

do you really think that businesses today want to pay you a living wage? want to cover part of your healthcare? want to pay you if you get hurt on the job?
Yes, most of them in fact do, as they understand that keeping quality, trained personnel on hand to perform the job is vastly less expensive than having to train new personnel only to have them run off and join another job because some Union will help them make more money for doing far less work.

everything everyone takes for granted in the workforce these days was fought for by unions, and is still being fought for.
Unions did serve a purpose and they did have their place in the American Workforce..........but that time has come and gone.
 
#13 ·
But there are laws these days to protect workers

I've known several people who have been in unions and say they're discouraged from working harder. One of them was in the UAW (I forget which manufacturer) and went to tighten a bolt that he thought looked loose. Got told not to touch it. The rest were also discouraged from putting in extra time or extra effort. I heard of several people that barely did any work, but they couldn't be fired cause they were union
 
#14 ·
no one should ever work harder than they have to. americans already are asked to do twice the work their parents did for less money(accounting for inflation).
no one should do someone else's job, especially if they aren't qualified for it.

there certainly are some protections that the govt offers workers, but you'd be surprised at just how little there are. and a lot of companies like to disregard them when they can get away with it.

unions are there to keep companies honest. though i do see enough people on the job that wouldn't get by if there wasn't job protection for them.
 
#16 ·
no one should ever work harder than they have to. americans already are asked to do twice the work their parents did for less money(accounting for inflation).
no one should do someone else's job, especially if they aren't qualified for it.

there certainly are some protections that the govt offers workers, but you'd be surprised at just how little there are. and a lot of companies like to disregard them when they can get away with it.

unions are there to keep companies honest. though i do see enough people on the job that wouldn't get by if there wasn't job protection for them.
You couldn't have made a better case for the disbanding on Unions in this country if you'd tried. :rofl:
 
#17 ·
I have been a member of construction unions and a utility union. The stereotype applies more to those that are not construction IMO. In construction deadlines still have to be met, and we work hard to meet them. I find that there are other unions that protect the worker more as far as laziness, but in construction I could simply give them a lay-off.

I'm not in management anymore and I am happy about it. I see some people who abuse the system with the number of sick days they use but they do not get punished. In my experience it is not because they are a member of a union though, it was because they were black or in another case a woman.


To the OP, you might have money deducted from your check that goes to a PAC, political action committee, and that deduction is by law voluntary. Just ignore the calls, they just want to protect their work. They fail to see anything else that the Dems support like amnesty for illegal aliens. If you really want to tick them off register as a Republican.
 
#26 ·
I have been a member of construction unions and a utility union. The stereotype applies more to those that are not construction IMO. In construction deadlines still have to be met, and we work hard to meet them. I find that there are other unions that protect the worker more as far as laziness, but in construction I could simply give them a lay-off..
Well said. That pretty much how it is here.

To the OP, you might have money deducted from your check that goes to a PAC, political action committee, and that deduction is by law voluntary. Just ignore the calls, they just want to protect their work. They fail to see anything else that the Dems support like amnesty for illegal aliens. If you really want to tick them off register as a Republican.
I do vote the way I want. That isn't really the issue.
What irks me is when they take my dues money and use those millions to support ONE polital party. Then they come back to me and tell me they don't have enough money to fund my health insurance. Then they take more $$$ out of my paycheck and raise my dues. THAT's where I call BS! :thumbdown:

WRM
 
#20 ·
DUH!!! That is the reason for the Union. Any monkey with a set of wire cutters can call themselves an electrician if you have a plunger you are a plumber. The union is there to throw weight behind the working man. How do they do that. By all of the workers coming together and putting their voice behind one common goal. Politics is one of those areas that a union is involved in. You have been union all of your life. Either you haven't been union long or you have been for 30 years and never gave a crap about the policies and actions of the union until now. If you are just figuring this out now then you didn't research before becoming a union member you only went for the benefits. Based on your post I would put you in the lazy worthless group that everyone mentions when they discuss unions. You get paid the same amount as the guys who are there everyday doing their job and also fighting for the union and the contracts. Probably only go to the hall when your employer tells you to go vote against something that will hurt him. You jump then because it may affect your job.

You really enjoy the benefits of the wage, medical care and retirement. How do you think you got it, yep they got everyone on the phone and said hey we are going to negotiate for a good wage and insurance and we need you to come to the union hall or mail back the ballot to show you support it. Yep it works good for your wages and insurance to get everyone together under one umbrella to support the contract but not to support a political candidate.

To those who say the laws in place now protect the workers, unions have no place in todays economy. You are so wrong you think you are right. Unions got those laws put in place to protect not only the union members but all workers. Those laws would not disappear if the unions disappeared but they would not be enforced, there would be no group to provide oversight. It would be like China we would be working 20 hours a day for $5 a day. No common voice no group of people backing each other up, no rights.

You can vote all day long for the person who you think is the right person. I can't tell you who to vote for. But I would hope you would vote along the union lines, to add your voice to the common voice, to show that the working man still has a voice and will use it to ensure they are taken care of. The nation rides on our back we should stand together and all help carry it.

Then everyone complains that if they vote dem or gop that they will take away this right or that right. Yes they might, but if you stand with a collective group and vote for your way of life and income then you will have a job and be able to afford to fight for the other concerns you have. If you vote the other way and the government sees the workers are no longer a force to be reckoned with, they will outsource all of the jobs, we will all be providing a service like cashier at Walmart, and be unable to spend any time fighting for our other rights because we will be to concerned with putting food on the table and keeping the roof over our heads and forget about healthcare for our kids.

Yes the union carries a lot of dead weight. Not because they have to it is because the foremen are to wussiefied to get rid of them. I don't care how much support you muster up behind you when I fire you. I walk in with proof of a verbal reprimand regarding an indiscretion, written proof with examples of ways you canimprove and your signature showing you understand. Then the paper showing why I fired you they have no leg to stand on.

The union is not to protect those who are doing wrong it is there to protect those who are done wrong.
 
#21 ·
To those who say the laws in place now protect the workers, unions have no place in todays economy. You are so wrong you think you are right. Unions got those laws put in place to protect not only the union members but all workers. Those laws would not disappear if the unions disappeared but they would not be enforced, there would be no group to provide oversight. It would be like China we would be working 20 hours a day for $5 a day. No common voice no group of people backing each other up, no rights.
According to the Department of Labor, only 12.5% (15.4MM) of the US workforce is represented by a union. You're asserting that 1/8 of this country is responsible for the labor laws that protect the other 7/8, and that if that 1/8 disappeared, the remaining 7/8 would be powerless to protect themselves.

Do I have that right?
 
#22 ·
Unions??

In 77 the place where I worked ( A major Chemical Plant) was setup to vote on a union.
I was asked if I supported it. My answer was no way.
A lot of states have the right to work law. You do not have to be a union member to work there.
I would never work for a union as I would not work for the MAFIA.
Corrupt unions think they run the country.
Unions were good in the 50's but should have been disbanded as Regan did the Airport controllers that refused to go back to work. My friend refused and was fired and never worked as a controller again.
Unions are corrupt and need done away with.
That is my opinion and might not be shared with others.
 
#24 ·
I don't mean to offend anybody, but when people say that unions are still necessary because people have to work harder than they ever did and that companies are still ruthless, or whatever, I don't think they completely understand the economic and financial conditions that a business has to operate in.
How would you define work? In most cases, people today do not physically work near as hard as they used to have to.
As far as businesses being ruthless and taking advantage of their workers (although sometimes this is true) there is often simply not enough money there. Being involved with a couple of small businesses myself and being a business student, I see that money simply isn't there. People always want to complain that everything is made in China, yet they expect firms to assume much higher costs to operate in this country. People seem to get upset other people making a profit, yet that is what capitalism is based on.
As far as voting, anyone should vote for whoever they want to, that is the reason for the secret ballot.

This is my opinion, but nobody has to agree with me.
 
#25 ·
Labor Unions are PURE socialism! That is why the support Democrats. If you are a member of a labor union and despise liberal democrats your union dues GET THEM ELECTED!!!!!
 
#28 ·
When i still worked at the hospital our union told us to vote for Kerry... that didn't happen either...
 
#30 ·
Rockworm, you could always go back to the non union sector. Then you won't have your union dues being used to support a politician. It is real easy just walk out the door and find a new job.

It is just like when people complain about the USA, don't like it don't let it bug you just leave and find something more in line with your thinking.
 
#32 ·
Hey listen...

Presuming you are a legal American Citizen with full voting privleges, (that is, not a convicted felon, etc), there is NO ONE, or NO ENTITY who has ANY legal authority to tell you if you can or can't vote, or how to vote.

Sadly, all too often in this country, we see people / organizations ASSUMING non-existant authority, expecting that uninformed people will follow along like blind sheep. But that's another story for another topic.

Whether you want to take a stand and challenge the union bosses for saying this, is a decision only you can make, based on your values, and how you value what it might cost you in retributions.

BUT regardless of whether you challenge it or not... you should GO into that voting booth and VOTE your OWN consicence. It is your Constitutional right. And last time I checked, no mere labor union is above the Constitution.
 
#34 ·
The place that I work at has an open shop union. I wasn't union when I was staff, and now that I'm management, I'm glad I was never sucked in. At least at our place, the only thing the union is good for is for mucking up things. They protect people that shouldn't have been allowed to stay, and barely skate by. I have to have an iron clad reason for discipline. They add a level of complexity that's so unnecessary.

I think unions work well for some industry (my husband is in a union), but it shouldn't be in healthcare. I would never walk out on a patient, I don't care who told me to do it.
 
#35 ·
Unions can only spend money that is specifically earmarked for political activities. So, they can't spend your Benefits or grievance budget on solicitations for candidates, they have to spend separate Political Action Committee (PAC) money for that.
 
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