Hi I've searched around on here and didnt really find what I want. I'm looking for the weight in lbs of stock rims that came with 1997-2006 wranglers. I like the look of alot of the alum ones and they are far cheaper than aftermarket.
I'm not really worried about back spacing because they are all the same for the most part. I have steelies and they are heavy. I like basically All the alum rims that were optioned, the grizzly,ravine ect.
I was wondering if anyone had the weights of them? So that I could make the best possible choice for an upgrade. Thanks any help is appreciated !
The rims has alot of corrosion around the lip so I had to clean it really good strip the clear coat and then decided to do a dark gun metal on the lip. I'm getting new center caps and paint those the same as the lip
Yes they are a bit heavy but part of the weight is from 3-ply sidewalls so they are pretty durable tires. Way stronger than the 2 ply stock tires that came on the jeep :thumbsup:
I weighed a 16 x 8 Moab and it weighs 25.5 lbs. A heavy sucker for an aluminum wheel IMO.
I weighed a 15 x 8 American Racing Ansen Sprint racing wheel (non-hubcentric) and it weighs 18.5 lbs. That is light and IMO sets the standard for a strong light wheel.
One of the members here weighed a Ravine and posted (in another thread) that it weighs 19.5 lbs.
That same member weighed a Silverstar 16 x 7 and posted that it weighs 23 bs.
I weighed a 15 x 8 forged aluminum Alcoa Jeep (non hubcentric) wheel (from 2004 Rocky Mountain Edition) Wrangler and it weighed 20.5 lbs. Forged aluminum is slightly denser and heavier than cast.
Unfortuneately each person's scale is probably accurate to plus or minus one pound. So a comparison using different scales could be as much as 2 pounds wrong. You can see evidence of this when different people weigh same wheel on different scales and then report signifigantly different results, as has happened several times in this thread.
To get really accurate comparisons we'd all have to use same scale, or all have to use really good balance beam scales.
I think you're talking about me - the Ravine weighed 17 lbs and the Silverstar 20.5 lbs.
Another member weighed a 16x8 TJ Moab and got 30 lbs. Quadratec says their Moab copy is 25 lbs and is made by the same mfr that made the TJ Moabs, so I believe 25.5 is more likely correct.
You say that American Racing's Ansen Sprint is strong and light, but AR's are all cast in China now. Do you consider them as safe as the TJ factory alloys?
I am going to a lighter wheel soon: my Moab wheel and 315/75/16 cooper at3 weights 90 lbs! I am going to a 35 inch BFg AT/ko and a pro comp 15x8 alloy wheel and that should shed almost 30 lbs per wheel! The wheel weighs 15-16 lbs. and the tire is listed at 52 lbs. I hope this helps the little 4 banger out!
By the way, since we know Moab weigh 25 pounds and they are 16 x 8, I think Icons and Silver Stars (16 x 7) must weigh considerably less than 25 pounds. I would guess they weigh around 21 pounds.
I know someone has weighed them and claimed 24 lbs, but I don't believe it. Their scale must be off.
Yes. That seems plausible. I had forgotten you posted that.
I want to double check with my scale. Though it'll be an Icon that I weigh since I have Icon.
It's possible that Silverstar might be slightly lighter (maybe a pound) than Icon. If so, then your Silverstar weight figure of approximatley 20.5 lbs sounds very plausible.
While I'm at it, I'll also weigh an Ecco too. I expect it to weigh around 15 lbs, but we'll see.
These 16" x 7" aluminum rims you speak of in this thread (Icon and Silverstar) are from the Liberty? And if so the Liberty has the same 5 on 4.5 bolt patter as my TJ correct?
Very interesting thread to me. I am finally looking to toss re-gear monies at the ole X. Tired of getting up 30 mins earlier than everyone to meet them at the slopes, trout camp or elk camp. Looking to go to a 265/75/R16 Duratrac C rated tire to keep the Dana 35 on the honest side of things.
Running steels(~27lbs) with balding 30x9.5R15 kevlars(~44lbs), a total of 71lbs.
A Silverstar at 21lbs and a Duratrac 265/75/R16 at 45lbs saves me 7lbs per wheel/tire. I'd bet I need spacers to clear said tire. Now to look up Liberty backspacing.
Thanks for the constant education jeep forum world. :2thumbsup:
Edit: Learned the Silverstras are form the cherokees with 5 on 5 lug pattern, so I'd need an adapter/spacer.
These 16" x 7" aluminum rims you speak of in this thread (Icon and Silverstar) are from the Liberty? And if so the Liberty has the same 5 on 4.5 bolt patter as my TJ correct?
Very interesting thread to me. I am finally looking to toss re-gear monies at the ole X. Tired of getting up 30 mins earlier than everyone to meet them at the slopes, trout camp or elk camp. Looking to go to a 265/75/R16 Duratrac C rated tire to keep the Dana 35 on the honest side of things.
Running steels(~27lbs) with balding 30x9.5R15 kevlars(~44lbs), a total of 71lbs.
A Silverstar at 21lbs and a Duratrac 265/75/R16 at 45lbs saves me 7lbs per wheel/tire. I'd bet I need spacers to clear said tire. Now to look up Liberty backspacing.
Thanks for the constant education jeep forum world. :2thumbsup:
Edit: Learned the Silverstras are form the cherokees with 5 on 5 lug pattern, so I'd need an adapter/spacer.
Ed209, Silverstar and Icon are 16 x 7 with 5.25 BS the way Jeep measures them.
It is possible Jeep's way of measuring BS might be a little different than how other wheel brands measure, which might mean Jeep's 5.25" BS measurement is same as the 5.125" BS you measured.
i.e. - it's possible that a 5.25" BS Jeep wheel is same as a 5.125" BS aftermarket wheel if two slightly different methods of measuring are used.
In any case, the Jeep official BS for Icon and Silverstar is 5.25" BS as Jeep wheels are measured.
I'm measuring the standard way, from the back edge to the hub mounting flange, and very carefully with precision tools. I have no idea how Jeep measures, but it seems to vary. They say Eccos are 5.25 and I measured my brother's and got 5.25 also. However, they say Moabs are 5" and mine are 5 1/8", same as my Silverstars. In most cases, 1/8" probably won't matter, but when it's crucial, you should always measure and not just accept "official" BS. :nono:
Sure looks like it - just like on my brothers '05 X TJ and even the same T/A KO tires. They have 5.25" BS, cause I measured his, and that also agrees with the published BS.
However, I'm not sure that there wasn't an Ecco version for Cherokees, so check it out further - maybe he got them off a TJ.
General Tire Co has some nerve building a 30" tire that's actually 30" in diameter(almost). You will really be upset with Interco when I tell you that their TSL Bias tire in 31x10.50-15LT is 31.3" tall! :laugh:
I see your point, but he wants a 30 partly because he's not regearing. So in that case a shorter 30 is better than a taller one, and he'd already indicated his preference for shorter 30s.
I finally found a set of 6 Eccos to go look at, I can take the best 4 or all 6. The best part is no wheels so I can ghetto paint them before mounting some.................. hmmm, what will I mount on there?
I did like those Terra Trac AT II's I just looked at.
I finally found a set of 6 Eccos to go look at, I can take the best 4 or all 6. The best part is no wheels so I can ghetto paint them before mounting some.................. hmmm, what will I mount on there?
I did like those Terra Trac AT II's I just looked at.
Get all 6. Then you have one for spare tire and can do a 5 tire rotation, and have the 6th left over for a spare in case a wheel gets damaged in future.
Ghetto paint if you want, but I think Eccos look awesome stock.
I weighed my Moab wheel with 315/75/16 cooper at3 tire and it was just under 90 lbs- 89 to be exact.
I just recently got 35x12.50x15 BFg tires which weight 54: pro comp alloy 15x8 flat black wheels at 15 lbs each.
So by loosing a alloy USA wheel spacer at each wheel: 4 lbs each, and going to a new lighter wheel tire set up I lost approx. 24 lbs at each corner, roughly 100 lbs total!
The 4 cyl definitely appreciates the loss! It's sad because I think the moabs are the best looking wheels ever but for my needs this was a smarter and better solution.
I have read that every pound of unspung weight is about 8-10 pounds of spurg weight lost so my old set was like driving around with 800+ pounds depending in which ratio you choose to believe.
Long live the moabs but they are robust alum wheels.
I'm only running 30x9.5 and I'll be able to save about 9-11 lbs at the hot corner, depending upon where the Ecco comes in at for lbs. Shedding 44lbs will be nice.
BTW - back spacing vs tire clearance is relative to wheel width.
For example, an 8" wide wheel with 5.5 BS gives 0.25" MORE tire clearance than a 7" wide wheel with 5.25" BS.
Why? Easiest to explain by examples.
A 15 x 8 with X" BS will have 0.5" more clearance between swaybar and LCAs than a 15 x 7 with X" BS because the 1" wider wheel pulls the inner edge of tire out 0.5".
Moabs are 16 x 8 with 5" BS. So they offer quite a bit of tire clearance to swaybar and LCAs.
An 8" wide wheel with 5" BS offers same tire clearance (to swaybar and LCAs) as a 7" wide wheel with 4.5" BS.
Jeep should have provided a forged alum 16x7 with 4.5" BS for the Rubicon instead of the Moab, since 7" is the perfect width for the LT245/75-16, and 8" is really too wide for the narrow 245 tire.
How Universal are the center caps for the aluminum wheels?
I scored some Ecco rims sans caps and am struggling a bit to find replacements. They are all over e-bay and even found a road side collector of things that has a set. Some have black lettering, some don't some are plain I don;t really care the style too much just curious how to sort this out.
Are there basically 2 sizes fits all over the years?
How Universal are the center caps for the aluminum wheels?
I scored some Ecco rims sans caps and am struggling a bit to find replacements. They are all over e-bay and even found a road side collector of things that has a set. Some have black lettering, some don't some are plain I don;t really care the style too much just curious how to sort this out.
Are there basically 2 sizes fits all over the years?
I recently bought Icon wheels in good shape, but I like my Ecco wheels and 30 x 9.5 R15 tire size so much that I might never use the Icons. I'm leaning towards continuing using my Eccos forever and keeping on using 30 x 9.5 R15 tires forever. Though next time I might try a different tire brand.
Jeep Alcoa 15 x 8 is 20.5 lbs. NON hubcentric, Forged.
American Racing Ansen Sprint 15 x 8 is 19.5 lbs. NON Hubcentric, Cast
Ecco 15 x 7 is 18 lbs. Hubcentric, Cast.
I estimate my scale is within a half pound of accurate.
Forged wheels are stronger than cast, but are NON Hubcentric. Forged weighs about 1 lbs more than cast of same size and hubcentricity.
Hubcentric wheels are stronger than NON Hubcentric. Hubcentric weigh more than NON Hubcentric. Not sure how much more. I estimate 1 lb more.
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