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#1 ·
Is anyone else that Jeep is going in the wrong direction in terms of body style? Based off the "spy" reports of the new Patriot/Liberty, it looks like Jeep is turning these into roadsters instead of trucks (that's if you believe the pictures are an accurate representation of the new model).

I hope these pictures are nothing more than prototypes because if the new generation of Jeep start to look like CR-Vs and RAV4s and even now the ugly 2013 Escapes, I think they will lose some customers.

Thoughts?
 
#34 ·
I'm 30 years old, and got my first car when I was 17 in 1998. At that time my friends and I were all driving around ~10 year old cars from the late 80s and early 90s. They were complete pieces of garbage. If a car got much over 100k then it was a miricle.

Today my wife drives an 8 year old civic with no issues, and I drive a 7 year old WK. In general cars are so much more reliable, and live longer lifes than they ever did before.
 
#39 ·
I'm 30 years old, and got my first car when I was 17 in 1998. At that time my friends and I were all driving around ~10 year old cars from the late 80s and early 90s. They were complete pieces of garbage. If a car got much over 100k then it was a miricle.

Today my wife drives an 8 year old civic with no issues, and I drive a 7 year old WK. In general cars are so much more reliable, and live longer lifes than they ever did before.
My experience has been different. My vehicles from the 80's and 90's have run well over 200k with not too many problems. Mostly just normal wear. They were still running good when I sold them due to being tired of dealing with rust. I should have washed the salt off more often. One thing that really fires me up is that most new vehicles have galvanized bodies. That's going to add some longevity to the body.
 
#35 ·
I have a 95 Yj with 150k and a 04 trail blazer with 80k in the trail blazer I have destroyed a differential and transmission one was repaired under warranty the other happened out of warranty the Yj everything works great the only thing that broke was a u joint from taking it out on a trail I also had an 88 bronco that had 170 thousand miles on it and nothing wrong with it my dad has an 07 hundai with 70k he started developing steering issues and until it was fixed the car wouldn't hold an alignment cars today are not as reliable as older cars are
 
#36 ·
I'll take statistics over poorly-spelled anecdotes any day, personally.
 
#38 ·
Consider the source. If I was going to sell you a product, any product. Which over time due to rising labor costs, inflation, government regulation, and a desire to continually increase my profit margin required me to either raise my prices until I was priced out of the market, or simply produce a substandard product and trade on the good name that had been built in the past. What do you think I'd pick? Go out of business? Not likely.

Now, if I was to release statistics to show that the product I was selling you was substandard in comparison to the product I had previously been selling you I'd be a damned fool. If I or the media who covered my industry were to release findings that the end result of these government mandates have been a driving source of both the rise in price, and the decline in quality of the product what do you think the end result would be? An IRS audit? A visit from the EPA? or OSHA?

:rolleyes:
 
#37 ·
Statistics from car manufacturers... When you were 17 did you take proper care of the car your saying isn't as reliable did you buy it from some one who took care of it? No you got a pos because that's all you could afford at the time company's build cars cheaply with flimsy materials to cut cost the engines don't run as long the transmissions aren't as strong the auto makers have started claiming you can drive 5-7k before needing an oil change with there new technology when really they want you to drive around with sludge to lubricate your engine so it fails sooner the fluids they use for transmissions almost have no lubricating property cars like most everything else we buy now are designed to fail so that you need to buy a new one and just pump more money back into a system of corrupt auto manufactures trying to max profits from the consumer think about if you have a car that can go forever with out any major problems then how is the manufacturer of that car going to make any money? But if you buy a car and drive it for a couple years and then all of a sudden something like your transmission fails and you either need to pay for a whole bunch of dealer specific parts or buy a whole new car then the auto company that built that car is going to make a lot more money cars today can not run nearly as many miles as cars from the past could ya sure there more fuel efficient you have a nice plush interior but you don't need it
 
#40 ·
Maybe I'm unique in this, but the last vehicle I had before the 2002 Overland I own now was a 2001 ZR2 Blazer. 2 doors, body on frame...

And way, way better than the 02 WJ. I'd go back in a heartbeat. I like the WJ a lot, but I could sleep in the back of the ZR2, its seat folding arrangement was awesome, it handled better on-road, and worked a lot better on Arizona's 4x4 trails despite its IFS and open front differential.

I don't have a special attachment to BOF construction and I'm fine with technology - but I do like 2 door vehicles, and DEFINITELY like vehicles I can sleep (flat) in. Saves me a fortune in hotel rooms on long journeys and makes spontaneous campouts effortless.

I don't like needless luxuries like digital multi zone climate control... ever notice there's more than one company selling aftermarket fixes for grand cherokee climate control failure? None of the directly actuated knobs in previous cars ever failed. You know what would be luxurious for me in a climate control system? Having a seriously powerful fan and never breaking ever.
 
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