I test drove a Patriot today. Mostly I liked it, though I can understand some of the complaints I have heard about the interior. The rear view mirror is rinky dink (I likely would look for a bigger, after market one), and the visors are cumbersome to put to the side. Lots of plastic. But I thought it handled and peformed well for a 4 banger. Not sure about the seats. I have some back and hip trouble, so comfortable seats are a big deal for me. I will need to test drive it for longer to find out. I gather the Liberty has a full power seat (which I would prefer), so I may take a look at those. Lousier gas mileage, though. In any event, for the most part I can see why people like the Patriot. Thanks again for all of the feedback.