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Unread 12-14-2008, 10:39 PM   #1
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snow chains 4X4 Compass

Maybe I missed this somewhere. But what is recommended for tire chains? I have an '07 without TPMS. Gramps???

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Unread 12-15-2008, 03:35 AM   #2
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Dedicated snow tires are the only solution.

Page 275 of the Owners Manual.

TIRE CHAINS
Due to limited clearance, tire chains are not recommended.

CAUTION!
Damage to the vehicle may result if tire chains are used.
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Unread 12-16-2008, 06:00 AM   #3
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I can see why using tire chains at the front would be a bad idea... But what about using chains on rear wheels only?

(Me, I run proper winter tires, so I'm mostly thinking more off-roadish conditions and low speeds. I do realise that not having chains on the wheels that steer might make life a tad more interesting as speeds increase. )
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Unread 12-24-2008, 01:03 PM   #4
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My concern is if I am on my way to Reno from Sacramento and they say Chains are required ... what do I do? Do I just have to turn around and head home? I would think with the RR lift kit I should have enough space for chains on the rear tires ... but hey what do I know?
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Unread 12-24-2008, 03:34 PM   #5
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On "chain required" checkpoints, you either have to have chains on board, or snow rated tires.
And when i say snow rated, i dont mean all season M+S tires, i mean tires with the actual snowflake symbol.

Also, on the 4x4 models, you cant run the chains just on one axle. The clearance issue is the front, not the rear. However, you cant run rear only.
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Unread 12-26-2008, 01:57 PM   #6
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madrabbitt, do you have any basis on your claim that one can't run snow chains only on the rear? Seems to me that while there are several negative sides* to it, running only two snow chains is quite common.

* Some issues that come to my mind: when speeds increase, understeering, poor braking. Additional strain to drive train due to "different sizes" of rear and front wheels? But all these issues seem to me to be more related to on-road driving - and for that I do run proper winter tires. What I would need snow chains for would be more of an off-roadish situation where even studded winter tires can't provide with enough traction. In other words very low speeds, short distances.
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Unread 12-26-2008, 02:04 PM   #7
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increases the rolling diameter of the chained axle, potentially causing damage to the center diff or transfer case.
Thats the primary reason. All of the issues you named are secondary reasons as well.

And, while i understand english may not be your first language, i take the wording "basis to your claim" offensive, you're making it look like i'm just pulling answers out of my exaust.
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Sorry, no offense was meant.

To sum up, using snow chains on rear tires only would then be okay in your opinion too, if done only for short distances and at slow speeds?
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From the book of "Old School" the chains go on the driving axle. Now to complicate things we have all of this electronics that tries to balance everything out even if you intentionally unbalance it. Personally chains only on the front would make me nervous. For driving traction they would be fine but when it comes to stopping and turning I would think that you could have problems. The front end would be doing what you want it to but the back end could end up acting like the back end of a tractor-trailer rig with a mind of it's own in a panic stop of your a little fast in the turns.

Chains on the rear would drag you to a stop with better control but the electronics may get fooled into doing something it shouldn't, what I don't know.
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Sorry, no offense was meant.

To sum up, using snow chains on rear tires only would then be okay in your opinion too, if done only for short distances and at slow speeds?

IF you had a 2wd, and IF you had a mild lift on it, like the 2 inch one, then chains may, in theory be used on rears only, for short distances.
However, i'm not responsible for any damage that would occur.

I'd use that as an absolute worst case scenario.

A 4x4 model's transfer case would get damaged if you were to use rear chains only, and 4 wheel drive.

I'm sticking to NO SNOW CHAINS ON A COMPASS OR PATRIOT, as your owners manual advises, as my official answer.

Kinda like my WJ. I dont have the clearance for snow chains on my front tires, so i wouldnt use them on the rears only, because of the possibility of damaging the transfer case (although, in theory, i could use full time, and it would be ok)
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From the book of "Old School" the chains go on the driving axle. Now to complicate things we have all of this electronics that tries to balance everything out even if you intentionally unbalance it. Personally chains only on the front would make me nervous. For driving traction they would be fine but when it comes to stopping and turning I would think that you could have problems. The front end would be doing what you want it to but the back end could end up acting like the back end of a tractor-trailer rig with a mind of it's own in a panic stop of your a little fast in the turns.

Chains on the rear would drag you to a stop with better control but the electronics may get fooled into doing something it shouldn't, what I don't know.

The two points of no chains on the front at all due to clearance, and no chains on the rear only due to transfer case damage possibility sorta outweigh the worries about the electronics and traction systems getting all pissed off at the difference in handling. But those are also valid reasons for not doing it.
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Unread 12-28-2008, 10:53 PM   #12
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test fit a set of cables..i ve used a set of 4 twice already and they
have enough clearance..
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Unread 12-28-2008, 11:07 PM   #13
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if you have a compass, take a look at the inner fender lining on the front.

If theres no damage, then its likely you didnt turn to full stop.
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