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Unread 05-02-2011, 11:27 AM   #1
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Remote On Key Stopped Working

Both of my key's remotes suddenly stopped working.
So I am assuming it is not the batteries inside the keys.

Does anyone know where/what I should check on the Jeep?
or how do I reprogram them?

Thanks for any input.

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Unread 05-02-2011, 11:30 AM   #2
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There's usually an on/off switch on drivers side, near hood latch for remote start. maybe that was accidently switched to off.

As far as the remote-

The keys shouls be customer learn. (Just google search)

However the remote fob has to be programmed from a machine. Try to find a keyharbor or equivalent...stealership if you absolutly have to
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Unread 05-02-2011, 11:34 AM   #3
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Thanks for the fast reply.

This isn't the remote start, just lock, unlock and panic on the key.

What is a keyharbor or equivalent?

Edit: Keyharbor is a store....


"The keys shouls be customer learn."

I Googled this but came up with nothing that made sense.
Can you explain it to me a bit more?
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Unread 05-02-2011, 01:41 PM   #4
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I spoke to someone else and they mentioned that because both remotes are dead at the same time, that it could be the receiving unit in the car.

Anyone have any information on this?

Thanks again for all help.
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Unread 05-02-2011, 03:58 PM   #5
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Sorry I was typing fast earlier..

Customer learn
Customer learn is where you can program a key by yourself. Each vehicle is different but usually its turning the key off and then back on a series of times and holding key combinations. However that's only for a key, that's not your problem.

If they both went at the same time it would have to be something on the vehicle. What jeep do you have?
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Unread 05-02-2011, 05:25 PM   #6
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DubJ - that only is for extra keys when you have two that work. bill-pat has NO working keys!

It sounds like your Sentry Key Remote Entry Module (SKREEM) has quit working. The dealer or a good parts store/Garage will need to test to get the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC). It may be just a bad ground in numerous areas, too. No way to tell with out the code.
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Unread 05-02-2011, 05:37 PM   #7
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Thanks DubJ and Gramps for the answers.

I did the key thing and I got no code.
Do you have any idea where the module is located?

I have a 2007 patriot sport.

Thanks again for the help.

Edit: Would this module be considered part of the powertrain?

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Unread 05-02-2011, 06:05 PM   #8
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Gramps I just found this post you made.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f98/k...entry-1013868/

Looks like it the same kind of problem I am having.

I'd still like to know if the Sentry Key Remote Entry Module would be part of the powertrain as I still have that guarantee.
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Unread 05-02-2011, 06:31 PM   #9
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Please have the DTC's run before you do this. Trouble shooting over the Internet is difficult at best.

REMOVAL
WARNING:
To avoid serious or fatal injury on vehicles equipped with airbags, disable the supplemental restraint system before attempting any steering wheel, steering column, airbag, occupant classification system, seat belt tensioner, impact sensor, or instrument panel component diagnosis or service. Disconnect and isolate the battery negative (ground) cable, then wait two minutes for the system capacitor to discharge before performing further diagnosis or service. This is the only sure way to disable the supplemental restraint system. Failure to take the proper precautions could result in accidental airbag deployment.
1. Disconnect and isolate the battery negative cable.
2. Remove both the upper and lower shrouds from the steering column.
a. Remove the two screws (4) attaching the upper shroud (1) to the lower shroud (2). After removing the screws, unclip the shrouds from each other by applying hand pressure along the seams where the shrouds connect on the sides, then remove the upper shroud.
b. Push the tilt lever (5) downward.
c. Remove the screw (3) attaching the lower shroud (2) to the steering column (6). Remove the lower shroud.
d. Push the tilt lever (5) upward, locking it in place.

3. Remove the screw (2) that secures the right multi-function switch (1) to the mounting bracket integral to the right side of the clockspring (3) on the steering column.
4. Slide the switch away from the clockspring far enough to disengage the slide tabs on the switch housing from the channel formations in the mounting bracket.
5. Disconnect the jumper wire harness connector (1) from the connector receptacle on the inboard end of the right multi-function switch (2).

6. Remove the switch from the clockspring (3
7. Remove but do not disconnect the right multi-function switch from the integral mounting bracket (1) on the right side of the clockspring and position it so that the Sentry Key Remote Entry Module (SKREEM) mounting screw (2) may be accessed.
8. Disconnect the instrument panel wire harness connector (4) from the SKREEM (3) connector receptacle.
9. Remove the screw that secures the SKREEM to the boss on the top of the ignition lock cylinder housing (5).
10. Disengage the SKREEM antenna ring from around the ignition lock housing and remove the SKREEM from the steering column.
shrouds.jpg   right-switch.jpg   jumper-wire-harness-connector.jpg   skreem.jpg  
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Unread 05-02-2011, 06:36 PM   #10
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Thanks for finding that! I was going to try and give the background info but you found it. My computer crashed last week and haven't copied all of my files from my back up drive yet. I need to see if it's "fixed".
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Unread 05-02-2011, 07:19 PM   #11
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Wow Gramps!

Thanks very much for all the excellent info.

Much appreciated.

I read through your original post.

I did remove my battery a week ago to check my transmission cooler lines.
I also disconnected the battery today to try and re-set things.

Am I understanding it correctly, that if the car starts then the skreem is functional and all I have to do is deactivate the alarm manually?

The instruction for disarming the VTA are to 1- press the unlock button on the key fob or 2- start the car with a valid key.

With the key fob not working I can't use the unlock button, but I can start the car so the key is valid.

Once the car starts my VTA should be disarmed and the key fob should work again.

Am I understanding this correctly?

I did the key on key off thing and I am getting no codes only the word "done".

Once again, thank you very much for your help.
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The Key ON/OFF doesn't work on the MK's. I thought I had found all of those lies.

So it will start and run? Then I misinterpreted the problem. You can get your codes checked for free at most major Auto Parts stores (Auto Zone, O'reilly's, etc). Have the codes check before you try and fix anything but yes, you should be able to disable the remote and alarm features by following the instructions. I haven't tried it myself so we'd appreciate some feed back.
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This is much abreviated from the service manual, having the codes are the way to go.

ALL DOORS FAIL TO LOCK AND UNLOCK


Possible Causes
DTC's PRESENT
TIPM FUSE NUMBER 10 OPEN
(P33) DOOR LOCK DRIVER WIRE OPEN
(A932) FUSED B+ CIRCUIT OPEN
INSTRUMENT CLUSTER


or it could be the Remote Key Wireless module included in the SKREEM.
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Unread 05-03-2011, 07:37 AM   #14
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Thanks for the info Gramps.

I am going to investigate more today.

I just wanted to add that the doors do lock and unlock automatically with the lock unlock button in the car. So that system is working.

It only failing to lock unlock with the key fob.

Thanks again for your help solving this.
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Unread 05-03-2011, 08:05 AM   #15
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Maybe it is just the internal battery. Does the 'Panic Button" still work?

The case just pries apart.

Battery Replacement
The recommended replacement battery is CR2032.
1. If the key fob is equipped with a screw, remove the
screw. With the transmitter buttons facing down, use a
flat blade to pry the two halves of the transmitter apart.
Make sure not to damage the elastomer seal during
removal.
2. Remove and replace the batteries. Avoid touching the
new batteries with your fingers. Skin oils may cause
battery deterioration. If you touch a battery, clean it with
rubbing alcohol.
3. To assemble the transmitter case, snap the two halves
together.
If the key fob is equipped with a screw, reinstall
and tighten the screw until snug.
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