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Unread 11-10-2006, 03:25 PM   #16
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We dislike the Compass because we ware watching the down fall of a great company due to MPG restrictions set by the government.

Oh. And you can;t make a compass look like this.


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Unread 11-10-2006, 04:04 PM   #17
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I love the Compass! We should get together and go 'wheeling some time.
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Unread 11-10-2006, 04:52 PM   #18
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We dislike the Compass because we ware watching the down fall of a great company due to MPG restrictions set by the government.

Oh. And you can;t make a compass look like this.

How f'n hard is it to understand.

The need/benefit of EPA standards can be debated, but THAT's what is causing the change at Jeep. The Compass isn't the DOWNFALL (cause), it's the SAVIOR (solution)!

Remember that for every Compass they build, that's another Commander they can build.

Get it?

Through CAFE standards the Compass allows Jeep to build and sell other less fuel efficient wheelers.


And nothing personal, I have no use for a GC that looks like that.
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Unread 11-10-2006, 05:00 PM   #19
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That's exactly why I don't like the Compass. If they wanted to expand Jeep to the WRC rally car segment that's fine, and I think they had a real winner with the original concept. What happened between that original concept and the production model I have no idea, but whoever made the changes should be fired!
That "concept" model is also a 2 door vs the 4 door that they're currently making. Right now they're not making 2 door models at all. I know that they are suppose to start making 2 door models of the Caliber down in Venezula. Who knows if they'll have one of the Compass or not.

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Unread 11-10-2006, 05:27 PM   #20
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We dislike the Compass because we ware watching the down fall of a great company due to MPG restrictions set by the government.

Oh. And you can;t make a compass look like this.
Well, beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. Let me start with a 6 pk and work up to a case.

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Unread 11-11-2006, 01:38 PM   #21
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I still believe there is no such thing with 18 inch chrome rims and trim that can be called a Jeep
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Unread 11-11-2006, 10:36 PM   #22
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I think i would much rather have a compass over this wrangler thing. WHen i have the top off, my hair gets messed up, i cant speed on the freeways = (, i have to do all the work my self on it = (, when it rains, and i open up the door, i get water on me = (, it gets dirty when i go offroading = (, no A/C!!!! = (
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Unread 11-12-2006, 08:51 AM   #23
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I still believe there is no such thing with 18 inch chrome rims and trim that can be called a Jeep

You better tell that to all the posers in the Wranglers and Commanders that put 18 and larger inch chrome wheels on theirs in Philly...

(not my taste either).
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Unread 11-12-2006, 09:25 AM   #24
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How f'n hard is it to understand.

The need/benefit of EPA standards can be debated, but THAT's what is causing the change at Jeep. The Compass isn't the DOWNFALL (cause), it's the SAVIOR (solution)!

Remember that for every Compass they build, that's another Commander they can build.

Get it?


Through CAFE standards the Compass allows Jeep to build and sell other less fuel efficient wheelers.


And nothing personal, I have no use for a GC that looks like that.
Than ditch the 7 slot grille and round headlights

A real jeep is meant to be beaten. A compass is not.
A real jeep is meant to have dirt inside and out to the point where plants will grow on your spring perches. a compass will not.
A jeep can go anywhere. A compass cannot.
Basically, anyone that enjoys a jeep it's because of its prowess offroad. the compass attempts to leech off of that prowess on road.
But that's mo. Just find your reasoning kinda silly.
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Unread 11-12-2006, 09:49 AM   #25
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Than ditch the 7 slot grille and round headlights

A real jeep is meant to be beaten. A compass is not.
A real jeep is meant to have dirt inside and out to the point where plants will grow on your spring perches. a compass will not.
A jeep can go anywhere. A compass cannot.
Basically, anyone that enjoys a jeep it's because of its prowess offroad. the compass attempts to leech off of that prowess on road.
But that's mo. Just find your reasoning kinda silly.

90% of the people who buy Jeeps, the one's who are keeping them in business don't do it because they will off-road or go anywhere.

The 7 slot grille and lights are part of the corporate identity, something of a trademark (unsuccessful efforts to enforce it against Hummer notwithstanding).

They are tantamount to a commercial or a jingle and help consumers make a mental connection to the brand image.

And since those 90% of people who buy Jeeps because of that image or off-road prowess not because of the actual capability that they will never use, WHY is it a problem to market to an even larger segement of people who are just more willing to admit that.

My logic is not silly, it is LOGIC.

Your argument is based strictly on emotion. You're not recognizing other forces at work. The most important one being that Jeep is a company which needs to maximize profitability if it is going to stick around and build ANYTHING.

The Compass is just one tool for doing that.

It is NOT the beginning of the end.

It is the beginning of a little bit of diversity for a changing world.

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Unread 11-12-2006, 11:10 AM   #26
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I actually saw my first Compass today at the dealership. It wasn't as ugly in person as the pictures make it look. I'm still not crazy about as the concepts ALWAYS look better than the actual models and I think that Jeep should be competing with Suburu et al. in building an AWD wagon, but hey if it still sells for Jeep, that's more R&D money toward building and designing a Rescue or Gladiator.
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Unread 11-12-2006, 03:05 PM   #27
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I like the idea of the Compass/Patriot... It works well for what American needs now...

However, I do not like the STYLING of the compass, but I do like the looks of the Patriot. Same base, differant body. Someday, I may have a Patriot parked in a garage next to my Rubicon.
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Unread 11-12-2006, 04:18 PM   #28
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And my wife is interested in the Patriot too. She's gotta do one of those "touchy/feely things" with it when they come out. Someday, I may have a Rubicon parked next to my Compass and the GC or Patriot.
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Unread 11-13-2006, 07:49 AM   #29
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I hate the Compass b/c it looks like a plastic toy. I dont like the design compared to other x-overs at all.

PS~ I think that it waters down the competence of the brand, not expands market share to future "real" Jeep buyers.
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Unread 11-13-2006, 12:41 PM   #30
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I think Kev M said it best:

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