I Went by the dealer today. Took off work and went early in the morning (10am).
checked out the patriot. drove it. liked it. talked with the dealer, he went to get the guy to appraise my car.
i waited about 30 minutes from this point. then salesman came by and said he was still waiting on something, so then another 20 minutes went by
then he came by w/ the numbers, that still werent the "official" numbers.
so they gave me what i considered to be a REALLY low value for my trade in, and wouldnt budge off the price of the patriot, or any of the other "fees".
So after waiting for ANOTHER 30 minutes, it was getting late, and i was tired of wasting time while the sales man went to "try to get better numbers", so i got my keys and left.
he called me again later saying that they couldnt do any better than that.
Oh well, guess i'm not getting a pat.