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Unread 02-18-2007, 08:53 PM   #1
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one question, do these jeeps have any offroad capability at all? will someone out there start selling lift kits for them and other offroad performance goodies and maybe theyll look like a mini-GC? I like the look of the compass and think they would be a blast to drive, but this is just a thought that crossed my mind. it would be neat seeing one offroad

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Unread 02-18-2007, 10:41 PM   #2
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never going to happen, sorry.
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Unread 02-18-2007, 11:32 PM   #3
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never going to happen, sorry.
i wouldnt say never. with enough money and time anything can be made to go off road. ive seen an 87 trans am 4x4 lifted with 35s. so i would leave it to ones imagination and their pocket book to be the deciding factor.
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Unread 02-19-2007, 04:50 AM   #4
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one question, do these jeeps have any offroad capability at all? will someone out there start selling lift kits for them and other offroad performance goodies and maybe theyll look like a mini-GC? I like the look of the compass and think they would be a blast to drive, but this is just a thought that crossed my mind. it would be neat seeing one offroad
Sure they have off road capacity as they are, just not rated for Rubicon. It's the same platform as the Patriot and since Jeep is offering the Patriot in a Trail Rated version the parts will interchange with the Compass. So Jeep is offering the parts off the shelf, they just say that they're for the Patriot. Also, whatever the aftermarket people bring out for the Patriot will also adapt to the Compass. A limiting factor is the approach angle could be better and will improve somewhat with a good lift kit. Mostly a nuts and bolts project along with reprogramming the computer to give you the 19:1 low range and hill descent control. Low on the Compass and Patriot with out the programming is 14:1.

Other limiting factors, your ability to twist a wrench and knowledge level on the MK platform.

More information here:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showt...96#post3323096

And an excellent article on the Trail Rated Patriot here:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showt...=307388&page=4
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Unread 02-21-2007, 08:20 PM   #5
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Bit of off road

May want to check out this article and photo gallery. This is not extreme off road but is more then what the average user is going to need. Thought it was a nice article overall.

http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...py?artid=71053

http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...ke=Jeep&lng=en
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Unread 02-21-2007, 09:28 PM   #6
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May want to check out this article and photo gallery. This is not extreme off road but is more then what the average user is going to need. Thought it was a nice article overall.

http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...py?artid=71053

http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...ke=Jeep&lng=en


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Unread 02-21-2007, 09:38 PM   #7
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I would just like some damn "offroad" accessories already Thank god for backwards compatibility (largely) with the Patriot!
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Unread 02-22-2007, 02:59 PM   #8
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If you got money, sure.
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Unread 02-22-2007, 06:56 PM   #9
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patriot with 2.5 lift

Patriot with 2.5" Lift, all things being equal the lift should work on the Compass, Only a concept but hope is there.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/2006/20...e-1280x960.htm
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Unread 02-23-2007, 10:12 AM   #10
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Off Road

Have you ever caught this view of your Compass dash when the light is just right? Same instrument cluster that goes in the Patriot.
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yep, i was going to post it, wonder what it means
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Unread 02-23-2007, 11:10 AM   #12
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Same dash for Patriot so it was well planned out for interchangeability. The Interiors are interchangeable between Compass/Patriot as is the 2WD and the 4WD. This also implies that the FD II package will also fit both.

I'm trying to put together a possible list of parts needed for the FD II change over but without a Service Manual, it's just spectlation. That may be what the hold up is on getting the Manual.
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Unread 02-24-2007, 01:42 PM   #13
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Without a Service Manual and Complete Parts catalog this is my speculation to all that may be needed to change any MK from FD I to FD II.

The Patriot with the Trail Rated Package and Freedom Drive II includes these key features which should be easily adapted to any Patriot or Compass with the FD I package:

1–4 Included with Transmission programming (requires Standard CVT, not Auto Stick), may also require additional wiring harness(s):

1. Hill Descent Control- Uses the vehicle brakes to maintain descent speeds of 4-6 MPH in low gear and 3 mph in reverse.
2. Off-Road Brake Traction Control- When required, the traction control system will use the brakes to slow or stop a spinning wheel and send power to the axle with greater traction.
3. 19:1 Crawl Ratio- Being a Continuously Variable Transmission, the ratio is as low as 2.3:1 with a 8.1:1 final drive ratio
4. Off-Road mode engine and transmission calibration- In low, with the 4wd Lock mode engaged, the system raises the CVT rpm to maximize compression braking and provide maximum spark advance to the motor (monitored by the active spark knock sensor).


Items unique to FD II package. These are the items that I do not see priced as a package in the Build and Price section on Jeep.com.

6. Additional ground clearance- 1" Taller springs and improved dampening. (Only 1/2” more ground clearance than FD I package).
7. Reinforced Rear Lateral Links (control arms).
8. P215/65 R17 All-Terrain Tires (28x8.5").
These are available but priced as a seperate item.
8. Front and Rear tow hooks.
10. Engine, Transmission and Fuel Tank skid plates.
11. Heavy-duty Cooling
(CVT cooler, Engine cooler and high-cap cooling fans, part of this is also included in the Trailer Towing Prep package)
12. HD Alternator
13. Improved body sealing and relocated driveline vents


15 – 18 Also available as part of other optional packages.

14. 4WD Lock Mode- Commands maximum torque to the rear axle (electromagnetically controlled coupling, also standard on FD I)
15. Cabin air filtration (also part of Security System)
16. Fog Lamps (Standard on Limited and ?? package)
17. Seat height adjust (Standard on Limited and Sport with E package)
18. Three Mode Electronic Stability Program (ESP) (Standard on all)

Notes:
I don’t see where the AutoStick is offered on the Patriot even with FD I. The “L” of Standard CVT is needed to physically engage the Off-road features of FD II. Those with an AutoStick will need to get the linkage and face plate to be able to actuate the Off-road modes. The special features of the AutoStick will be disabled with the re-programming of the transmission any way.

UPDATE 3/1/07. Just added to the Build and Price for the Patriot

http://www.jeep.com/en/patriot/index.html

Now the B&P makes more sense!! Just added:

Continuously Var. Trans w/Off-Road Crawl Ratio $1,050.00


Includes: CVT2L - second-generation continuously variable transaxle with low range, 19:1 overall crawl ratio, Skid Plates, Tow Hooks, 17-Inch Aluminum Wheels and All-Terrain Tires, Full-Size Spare Tire, Fog Lamps, Manual Seat Height Adjuster, Hill-Descent Control, Off-Road Brake Traction Control (vs. standard Brake Traction Control), +1 inch Ground Clearance vs. non-Trail Rated versions, 19” Water Fording Capability, 29.6-degree approach angle, 34.2-degree departure angle and 23.3-degree breakover angle, Heavy Duty Engine and Trans Oil Coolers w/high output Electric Fans, Heavy Duty Alternator, A/C Air Filer and other structural and calibration enhancements to meet off-road driving requirements


Freedom Drive II Off-Road Group $725.00

Air Filtering
Height-Adjustable Driver's Seat
Fog Lamps
Fuel Tank Skid Plate Shield
Full-Size Spare Tire
Tow Hooks
Transmission/Engine Oil Pan Skid Plate
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Unread 02-24-2007, 02:53 PM   #14
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I have taken our Compass off-road already. Not the same places I take our TJ but it goes off-road just fine. It handles like a champ in the snow and ice too!
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Unread 02-24-2007, 03:10 PM   #15
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I have taken our Compass off-road already. Not the same places I take our TJ but it goes off-road just fine. It handles like a champ in the snow and ice too!
Agreed, just trying to put together some info for those who need to know. Some out there are interested in "more severe" off-roading. For me, I can't see too many mods at all that I would get much use out off besides maybe a little bit more ground clearance and the skid plates. More for insurance than anything else.

Affirmative on the ice and snow . It's actually fun to drive in now!

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