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post #1 of 17 Old 05-14-2007, 07:46 AM Thread Starter
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New Patriot (slight alignment problem)

My Patriot is brand new and the steering was dead on when I test drove it.
Since I took delivery, I've notice that I have to compensate the steering wheel to the left by less than half an inch. So it's really not a huge deal...it's more of an annoyance. Road camber is tricky, but middle highway lanes here are pretty flat and this is where I notice it the most.

Is there anything you folks can recommend I do to remedy this on own before I take it in for an alignment? Tire pressure is 35psi all around.

Do new cars often require wheel alignments? Does the dealer align the steering as part of the normal PDI process?

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post #2 of 17 Old 05-14-2007, 08:58 AM
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This shoild have been done at the factory. Take it back to the dealer ASAP.

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This shoild have been done at the factory. Take it back to the dealer ASAP.
ASAP? You're scaring me
I just made the appointment and stressed that it was delivered like that.
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Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have put on the caps. asap will be fine.

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Have the dealer fix this for sure. They should have noticed this when they did there delivery check.

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Is it relatively common for dealers to have to do an alignment on new off the truck cars? I'm assuming that the shipping via rail and truck could knock something off slightly - as is my case...it's off by about 1/2 an inch only. Still, I booked the appointment.

Gramps, thanks for lower casing that I'm assuming all they have to do is tighten a tie rod a bit...
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i would have said take it in asaywt

but dont pay for the alignment.

yeah, it could have gotten knocked off slightly in transit.
dealer probably shouldnt have put it on the machine, but it should have appeared the day you left...

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Sorry folks. You know that us grandpa’s have a lot of stories to tell. This one is about the time my mother was driving her new ’73 New Yorker out of the final prep area at the dealers and the welds on the steering gear bracket broke. Just one of the many reasons that with age comes cynicism and paranoia.

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i would have said take it in asaywt

but dont pay for the alignment.

yeah, it could have gotten knocked off slightly in transit.
dealer probably shouldnt have put it on the machine, but it should have appeared the day you left...
It did start the day I left. I just procrastinated about bringing it in for a while.

Hey Gramps, that reminds me of a bike my Dad bought me when I was six. It came in a box and had to be built. As soon as I took off, something snapped at the head and top tube, and down I went. At least I'm pretty sure that's how it went
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Ok, I had an alignment done. I'd like for you guys to look the report over and tell me if you see anything wrong. I see a couple...
Forgot to mention that it still pulls and I still have to hold the wheel ~1” to the left…
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Well, the first thing is when did you buy a Liberty? Post your tire size, the specs are in the Service Manual and I'll look them up.

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Well, the first thing is when did you by a Liberty? Post your tire size, the specs are in the Service Manual and I'll look them up.
Right. Also, isn't the rear camber not completely out of spec? -82/-89 where min limit is -63??

My tires are P215/65R17. Is this what you meant?
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Right. Also, isn't the rear camber not completely out of spec? -82/-89 where min limit is -63??

My tires are P215/65R17. Is this what you meant?
P215/65R17 exactly. The Liberty is a solid rear axle isn't it? Can't compare apples to oranges. This will take me a while, I can't do a cut and paste from the manual, only a print screen and it won't fit very well for this and even if it did you couldn't read it very well.

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ALL P215/65R17AT without OFF-ROAD GROUP (AWL)
FRONT WHEEL ALIGNMENT

CAMBER
-0.90° PREFERRED SETTING
-1.30° to -0.50° ACCEPTABLE RANGE

Cross Camber (Maximum Side-To-Side Difference)
0.00° PREFERRED SETTING
-0.50° to +0.50° ACCEPTABLE RANGE

CASTER* - LEFT * For reference only. These are nonadjustable angles.
+3.00° PREFERRED SETTING
+2.00° to +4.00° ACCEPTABLE RANGE

CASTER* - RIGHT * For reference only. These are nonadjustable angles.
+2.70° PREFERRED SETTING
+1.70° to +3.70° ACCEPTABLE RANGE

Cross Caster (Maximum Side-To-Side Difference)
0.30° PREFERRED SETTING
-1.30° to +0.30° ACCEPTABLE RANGE

TOE - INDIVIDUAL
+0.10° PREFERRED SETTING
0.00° to +0.20° ACCEPTABLE RANGE

TOE - TOTAL**
+0.20° PREFERRED SETTING
-0.10° to +0.40° ACCEPTABLE RANGE

REAR WHEEL ALIGNMENT

CAMBER
-0.80° PREFERRED SETTING
-1.20° to -0.40° ACCEPTABLE RANGE

Cross Camber (Maximum Side-To-Side Difference)
0.00° PREFERRED SETTING
-0.50° to +0.50° ACCEPTABLE RANGE

TOE - INDIVIDUAL
+0.10° PREFERRED SETTING
0.00° to +0.20° ACCEPTABLE RANGE

TOE - TOTAL**
+0.20° PREFERRED SETTING
0.00° to +0.40° ACCEPTABLE RANGE
** TOTAL TOE is the sum of both the left and right wheel toe settings. TOTAL TOE must be equally split between each wheel on the same axle to ensure the steering wheel is centered after setting toe.

THRUST ANGLE
0.00°
-0.10° to +0.10°

Positive toe (+) is toe-in and negative toe (−) is Toe-out.

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where did you get these? Are these for the Compass?
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