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Unread 03-24-2010, 07:15 PM   #1
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my 09 patriot wont start

i bought a wreched 09 patriot fixed it and it wont start.
the starter wont even crank.
i think it might be the emergency fuel shut off switch but i cant find it.
can anyone tell me where to look?

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Unread 03-24-2010, 07:28 PM   #2
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You don't need fuel until it will crank. Let me know when you get to that point.
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Unread 03-24-2010, 07:48 PM   #3
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are you getting spark?..look to the battery then alternator
..last would be the starter..

check to see that hot and grounding wires are in place..
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Unread 03-24-2010, 08:34 PM   #4
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well i thought that the switch also stopped the starter.
so what can teh problem be?
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Unread 03-24-2010, 08:50 PM   #5
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There is no fuel shut off in the MK's, you have an electrical problem.

Does the key turn in the ignition?
Do the lights work?
What kind of damage did you fix?
Did you check the fuses?
Is you battery charged up?

You don't give us much to go on and you have no information in your profile. I used to get this same question over the phone when I worked in auto parts. Trouble shooting over the phone or on the 'net simple needs more info than what you have provided.
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Unread 03-24-2010, 11:30 PM   #6
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when i turn the key the all the lights light up.and i go one more.and u can hear fuel and the trottle opening for a second. and also all the lights turn off when i get to position 4(starter) on my ignition.and thats it.
all i fixed was some body damage.no engine work.fuses look good. and i cherged my battery.but it might be gone for good
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Unread 03-25-2010, 09:35 AM   #7
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sounds like the starter or a bad ground
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Unread 03-25-2010, 10:02 AM   #8
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Depending on the type of body damage done(heavy damage or minor) it could have had hidden powertrain damage.From working at a bodyshop I've seen wrecked vehicles get towed in and the damage didn't look that bad but messed up the trans and engine from the impact.

Did it run when you bought it?

Can you turn the engine over by hand?

Is the shifter fully in "P" or "N" ?

Do you have the correct programmed transponder key?
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Unread 03-25-2010, 01:43 PM   #9
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Do yourself a favor and have the battery (load) tested and clean and reassemble the battery connections before over thinking the problem. You can get the battery checked for free at many auto part stores and frequently it's something simple and easy to brush over.

Also you said you can hear the fuel pump run when you first turn on the power... If it was a fuel cutoff triggered by an accident I would expect the fuel pump to be disabled.

Just my two cents... but I bought two tractor batteries and was about to buy a starter before I found the bad connection.
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Unread 03-25-2010, 01:59 PM   #10
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It all starts with a good battery. This info from the service manual:

The starting system consists of:
  • Starter motor (including an integral starter solenoid)
Other components to be considered as part of starting system are:
  • Battery
  • Battery cables
  • Ignition switch and key lock cylinder
  • Clutch pedal position switch (manual transmission)
  • Park/neutral position switch (automatic transmission)
  • Wire harnesses and connections.
The Battery, Starting, and Charging systems operate in conjunction with one another, and must be tested as a complete system. For correct operation of starting/charging systems, all components used in these 3 systems must perform within specifications. When attempting to diagnose any of these systems, it is important that you keep their interdependency in mind.
The diagnostic procedures used in each of these groups include the most basic conventional diagnostic methods, to the more sophisticated On-Board Diagnostics (OBD) built into the Powertrain Control Module (PCM). Use of an induction-type milliampere ammeter, volt/ohmmeter, battery charger, carbon pile rheostat (load tester), and 12-volt test lamp may be required.

Turn your lights on and try this. When you turn the key to "start" do the lights dim?
If they do then you have draw going to the starter but not cranking - possibility of a bad starter.

It sounds like you did that since you say "all the lights turn off when i get to position 4(starter) on my ignition" it sounds like excessive starter draw and the starter needs replacing or there is a short to ground either in the starter or in the wiring going to it.

If they don't dim then you have no power going to the starter - could be a bad ignition switch, bad wiring, a bad fuse or a problem with the Totally Integrated power module (TIPM - see sticky's).

A bad transponder key will allow it to crank but not run.


Do you have the 5 speed or CVT? With it in Park or Neural you could try and take some jumper cables, connect the negative cable to the starter housing (it is the ground) and just touch the positive cable to the terminal where the positive battery cable screws down and see if it cranks, if not replace the starter.
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Unread 03-25-2010, 02:59 PM   #11
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It sounds like you did that since you say "all the lights turn off when i get to position 4(starter) on my ignition" it sounds like excessive starter draw and the starter needs replacing or there is a short to ground either in the starter or in the wiring going to it.

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A bad battery and or bad connection can exhibit the same symptom.
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Unread 03-25-2010, 05:52 PM   #12
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Yes, life starts with a good battery fully charged and connected properly that's why all of this needs to be check out'.

When attempting to diagnose any of these systems, it is important that you keep their interdependency in mind.
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Unread 03-25-2010, 10:24 PM   #13
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I'm going to look at this another way. Does your vehicle have keyless entry?
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Unread 03-25-2010, 11:03 PM   #14
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no it didnt run when we got it.because the radiator was gone and some other things.
i did think it might be that we got the wrong key with it. but then i again shouldnt it crank?
its a 5 speed manual.
and yes it has keyless entry.

could it be possible that opon the impact the clutch sensor or something broke?
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Unread 03-25-2010, 11:19 PM   #15
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I see a vehicle about once a week that wont crank or start but has good battery power. Its something in wireless control module. The trick I use to reset the wcm is to disconnect the positive battery terminal from the battery itself and touch it to the negative side. Sounds dangerous or "exciting" but it works. This causes the capacitors in the modules to drain and reset the modules memory. Then reconnect the positive terminal and try to start.

I can't say for sure this will fix what ails you, but it is possible.
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