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Unread 10-30-2007, 09:58 AM   #16
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Like Nick said... RR has about the worst customer service rep in the industry.

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Unread 10-30-2007, 10:06 AM   #17
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The "other" Jeep site is doing a lot of correspondence with them and they appear to be very attentive with working out any problems. Sometimes things change for the better. Right now they are the only game in town for these kits and the Compass hit the market 15 months ago. Ya pays yer nickle and takes yer chances. I've been lucky so far.

A few notes:
This kit = wheel alignment.
New wheels/tires = wheel alignment.

Taller tires = even more GC.
Taller tires = less bottom end.
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Unread 11-01-2007, 01:07 PM   #18
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The "other" Jeep site is doing a lot of correspondence with them and they appear to be very attentive with working out any problems. Sometimes things change for the better. Right now they are the only game in town for these kits and the Compass hit the market 15 months ago. Ya pays yer nickle and takes yer chances. I've been lucky so far.

A few notes:
This kit = wheel alignment.
New wheels/tires = wheel alignment.

Taller tires = even more GC.
Taller tires = less bottom end.
They probably realize how badly they've screwed up their Rep with the Wrangler/CJ crowd and are trying not to make the same mistake with this product. But it bears watching for all of you MK guys, because they may not have changed their ways, they may just not have gotten enough $$ out of you to ignore you yet.

My biggest fear with a MK would be hauling the bigger meat around. I'm following this closely, as I'm looking for a higher-MPG replacement vehicle for my DD Sentra, but I don't think I could deal with the height of a bone-stock Patriot down the road. But you get some 31's under them, and you might be able to get modified KJ-level performance out of a Patriot... And I could live with that for a 2nd or 3rd Jeep.
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Unread 11-01-2007, 01:24 PM   #19
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Don't want to burst anyone's bubble... But...

RRO has what appears to be a similar spacer lift for the KJ. Another Unibody SUV with an independent Suspension (though only in front...). From what I read, there's no end of problems with this lift. While I can't be sure that the MK lift will have the same problems, it wouldn't surprise me at all. Independent suspensions cause no end of problems with lifts, so just know that you'll be a one of the first, and you'll be the one who has to fix the problems when they crop up.

I'd think long and hard before I tried anything to my MK. I'd hate to be replacing Struts and Ball Joints in a couple months just to be the first kid on the block with a lifted one.
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Unread 11-01-2007, 02:01 PM   #20
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Unread 11-01-2007, 05:15 PM   #21
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My biggest fear with a MK would be hauling the bigger meat around. I'm following this closely, as I'm looking for a higher-MPG replacement vehicle for my DD Sentra, but I don't think I could deal with the height of a bone-stock Patriot down the road. But you get some 31's under them, and you might be able to get modified KJ-level performance out of a Patriot... And I could live with that for a 2nd or 3rd Jeep.
31's just ain't gonna happen. This kit does not change the location of the strut spring perch which is right over the tire. (Go here http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showp...7&postcount=63 ) It would take a 2 1/4 wheel spacer to clear it with the inner edge of the tire (measured straight up). That was a disappointment to me, I was also hoping for 31's. The tallest that I will recommend is a 29" and that doesn't leave much room for travel. Still, I may try something stupid just to see if it works.

Worse case scenario is that it's not worth it, I put everything back to stock and call it a day. At least with this kit it's something to start with and for the price of it I'm willing to tweak it however I need to before giving up.
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Unread 11-01-2007, 05:33 PM   #22
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I may try something stupid just to see if it works.
how we learn from our own mistakes and from others. atleast i do.

i talked to RR customer service and asked about tire size, they told me that the tires on the patriot thats pictured on their site are 225/75 16 so its 29". either way still looks better than stock.
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Unread 11-01-2007, 05:56 PM   #23
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how we learn from our own mistakes and from others. atleast i do.

i talked to RR customer service and asked about tire size, they told me that the tires on the patriot thats pictured on their site are 225/75 16 so its 29". either way still looks better than stock.
If so, and you have the 15" wheels, then you should be able to use a factory Wrangler GS/A on one, that's what my Wrangler came standard with, might be pretty cheap thataway if you wanna skimp a little.
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Don't know if it's true with all 15's but reading elsewhere they had trouble with the 15's fitting the calipers properly.
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Unread 11-01-2007, 08:04 PM   #25
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If so, and you have the 15" wheels, then you should be able to use a factory Wrangler GS/A on one, that's what my Wrangler came standard with, might be pretty cheap thataway if you wanna skimp a little.
got the 17s and plan on goin 225/65/17.
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Unread 11-02-2007, 02:37 PM   #26
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Don't know if it's true with all 15's but reading elsewhere they had trouble with the 15's fitting the calipers properly.
On the Liberty, you can fit a Crager Steel 15, but not a Aluminum 15" wheel, which is thicker. Wouldn't surprise me if that's why some 15's fit, and others don't.
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Unread 11-02-2007, 02:42 PM   #27
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31's just ain't gonna happen. This kit does not change the location of the strut spring perch which is right over the tire. (Go here http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showp...7&postcount=63 ) It would take a 2 1/4 wheel spacer to clear it with the inner edge of the tire (measured straight up). That was a disappointment to me, I was also hoping for 31's. The tallest that I will recommend is a 29" and that doesn't leave much room for travel. Still, I may try something stupid just to see if it works.

Worse case scenario is that it's not worth it, I put everything back to stock and call it a day. At least with this kit it's something to start with and for the price of it I'm willing to tweak it however I need to before giving up.
I just wanted to relay the information, you're right, someone's got to be first.

I imagine that at some point, a kit will come out with replacement struts. 29" just seems awfully small, though I suppose I'll have to see one in person.
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Unread 11-02-2007, 03:26 PM   #28
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A lady at work parked next to me with 235/60-18's (29's) on Santa Fe. Quite a step up from my 215/55-18's (27.3"), looked VERY nice. The problem that I'm having is that I don't care for any of the tires of that size in meeting my needs for all seasons, so I maybe going with a 225/60-18 (28.6"). I did have (stupid) thoughts of 255/55-18's (29's) but they are just too wide. Spacers won't help because even with the stock tires I only have 1/2" to the edge of the front finder well. With the 255's and a 1" spacer the edge of the tire would be almost 2" past the wheel well and there are no fender flairs available. I also don't know if moving the wheels out and going 29" if they might rub in a turn.

16" & 17" wheels have a better selection of tread design than the 18's.

Even with the 225's and the lift kit I'll end up with over 11" GC. Good enough for me!

NOTE: I've ordered the 235/60VR18 Kumho Road Venture APT KL51 from the Tire Rack. I wanted to go with a truck tire as opposed to a Grand Touring car tire. Some day I hope to get the chance to do some light off-roading. I'll also be keeping track of off-line performance, 0 - 60 mph times and MPG.
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Unread 11-03-2007, 05:19 PM   #29
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My biggest fear with a MK would be hauling the bigger meat around. I'm following this closely, as I'm looking for a higher-MPG replacement vehicle for my DD Sentra, but I don't think I could deal with the height of a bone-stock Patriot down the road. But you get some 31's under them, and you might be able to get modified KJ-level performance out of a Patriot... And I could live with that for a 2nd or 3rd Jeep.

So uh, how high do you have your Sentra lifted? You must have a pretty insane commute each day. You do know that the Patriot is a Crossover right?
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So uh, how high do you have your Sentra lifted? You must have a pretty insane commute each day. You do know that the Patriot is a Crossover right?
That's a "friendly" question, right?? I'm glad to see that some "almost" fans are being created. It's taken a while to get some cool aftermarket stuff available. I think interest will pick up when we start "Jeepin" our Jeeps!
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