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Unread 08-07-2013, 11:27 AM   #16
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I'll double check my invoice to see.

*EDIT*: Just checked the invoice. Nope, no additional fees other than an $80 document fee and then tax, title and license. There is a $600 gap contract, which I ended up canceling because I paid the vehicle off pretty soon after purchasing.


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Unread 08-07-2013, 04:53 PM   #17
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no, i mean you most likely didn't actually get that price (i'm not sure, i don't know all the specifics). certain dealers do a great job of making you think you got that price, when in reality they're giving you a price plus freight (which is already included in the MSRP), and plus other bogus fees. in the end, you're really paying thousands over this price

take this post for example. there's no possible way that this guy paid $13k for a compass. it just isn't possible. let me show you why.

the least expensive 2013 jeep compass left in the country has an MSRP of $20,490. it is a 2013 sport with zero options. it has an invoice price of $20,228, a whopping $262 in markup. when the dealer sells it, they will get $585 in holdback from the manufacturer, so in reality, the dealer's "net cost" on the car is $19,643. currently in your area, based on a los angeles zip code of 90001, there is a $3,000 rebate which everyone qualifies for. you already said you don't qualify for the lease rebate, college grad, or military, so if you walked in the door and that dealer wanted to break straight even, they would sell it to you for $16,643. keep this number in your head, it's very important.

"how am i seeing prices for $14,000 and under" you ask? it's simple.

destination on this car (which i already said was included in the MSRP) is $995. they remove this cost from their advertised internet pricing to make it look lower, only to add it in later at the end as a bogus "fee". $16,643 just went to $15,648. they'll throw in the military rebate of $500. now we're down to $15,148. they're using the lease loyalty rebate as well, of $1,000. price drops to $14,148. add the college grad rebate as well and you're down to $13,648. add a few bucks in profit so the dealer doesn't just break even and there's your advertised price of $13,995.

"but wait, what about that number of $16,643 you told me to remember? wasn't that their dead cost?" yup. so ask yourself, would anyone in charge of running a business and earning a profit in order to keep that business afloat advertise right off the bat a $2,648 loss, or more, on their inventory? not anyone who wants to have a job the next day, that's for sure.

so you see, there is no way on earth that any dealer is actually selling these anywhere near the prices you're seeing, or the prices you're looking for. there are dealers that do a phenomenal job of making people think they got those prices, like the second person i quoted in my post. he didn't pay $13k for his brand new compass, i'll bet my job on it. but he thinks he did, which in the eyes of the dealer is all that matters. they'll simply add fees and destination until the price on their screen goes back into the black. it happens every day. if you walk out of a dealership and believe that you paid anywhere near the price you're looking for, you got had, plain and simple. Vbpiper, look at the buyer's order for your MK. if you see "destination", "freight", or "delivery" on there for $995, which i will guarantee you will, you were a victim of this creative maneuver. if $13k is your budget, you need to be looking at pre-owned models. hell, my 2011 is still worth more than that in its lowest trade value, what does that tell you? if people are still, years later, trading these cars for THOUSANDS more than what you're "seeing" them go for new, how is that possible? it isn't, those people are victims of advertising, plain and simple.
Plain and simple, you are incorrect. I wrote the check for the car. $13,490 plus state licensing, plus sales tax, plus $150 doc fees. Normally I do not pay doc fees, but for this price I was willing to. When I buy cars, and I have bought lots of them, I ALWAYS take a calculator with me. I will sit in the business office and go over the sales contract line-by-line and do the math. I researched the sales tax rate ahead of time, and when the tags come, the licensing fees are listed on the paperwork. I am well aware that destination charges appear on the sticker.
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Unread 08-07-2013, 05:35 PM   #18
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Safety rating must be taking a hit on the value.
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Unread 08-07-2013, 09:24 PM   #19
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Plain and simple, you are incorrect. I wrote the check for the car. $13,490 plus state licensing, plus sales tax, plus $150 doc fees. Normally I do not pay doc fees, but for this price I was willing to. When I buy cars, and I have bought lots of them, I ALWAYS take a calculator with me. I will sit in the business office and go over the sales contract line-by-line and do the math. I researched the sales tax rate ahead of time, and when the tags come, the licensing fees are listed on the paperwork. I am well aware that destination charges appear on the sticker.
Vbpiper, your statement jibes with my experience as well. No extra fees of any sort that I wasn't expecting. That said, did you end up getting a 5spd or auto?
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Unread 08-07-2013, 09:34 PM   #20
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Vbpiper, your statement jibes with my experience as well. No extra fees of any sort that I wasn't expecting. That said, did you end up getting a 5spd or auto?
We went with the 5 speed manual. Less expensive, marginally better fuel mileage, and I have concerns about the CVTs. My daughter has a Nissan Sentra CVT that will be replaced next week under warranty at 12,000 miles. Now that the 2014 Compass has a conventional automatic transmission, that may be more tempting, but there is still the difference in purchase price.
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Unread 08-07-2013, 09:53 PM   #21
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Agreed. I'm going to get the lifetime Maximum Care plan though so even if it goes out it will be on Chrysler's dime (I hope).
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Unread 08-08-2013, 03:04 PM   #22
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W If you are interested, Google Tacoma Dodge Chrysler Jeep. I have no relationship with them, just a satisfied customer.
Vbpiper, I owe you a beer

Just made a deal with Tacoma Dodge to get a Compass for pretty good deal.

Sale Price: $11,990

We wanted automatic but at this price I couldn't refuse. FWIW we're not getting all the rebates above , just $1750 instead of $2k but price is still pretty low. Going to fly down to Portland tomorrow and drive it home.

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Unread 08-08-2013, 03:16 PM   #23
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FWIW, I verified there is absolutely NO other fees other than doc prep, registration, title, tax. I made abundantly clear that the "freight cost" is already calculated in the ~$12,300 price. What a killer deal!
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Unread 08-08-2013, 09:24 PM   #24
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Vbpiper, I owe you a beer

Just made a deal with Tacoma Dodge to get a Compass for pretty good deal.

http://www.tacomadodge.com/custom/as...eep-RAM-Dealer
New 2013 Jeep Compass. One new only at this price. STK# J13379 VIN# 1C4NJCBAXDD272998 MSRP:$20,490, TDCJR Discount: $6,000 Rebate: $2000, Military Rebate: $500, TDCJR Sale Price: $11,990

We wanted automatic but at this price I couldn't refuse. FWIW we're not getting all the rebates above , just $1750 instead of $2k but price is still pretty low. Going to fly down to Portland tomorrow and drive it home.
Glad it worked out! Hope the closing goes well. A long-distance deal if I ever heard one. Please let us know if there are any problems with finalizing the deal. They seemed like a pretty straightforward group when we shopped there (owned by the same group that owns the Nissan dealership where we bought the Sentra).

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Unread 08-09-2013, 07:49 AM   #25
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Vbpiper, I owe you a beer

Just made a deal with Tacoma Dodge to get a Compass for pretty good deal.

http://www.tacomadodge.com/custom/as...eep-RAM-Dealer
New 2013 Jeep Compass. One new only at this price. STK# J13379 VIN# 1C4NJCBAXDD272998 MSRP:$20,490, TDCJR Discount: $6,000 Rebate: $2000, Military Rebate: $500, TDCJR Sale Price: $11,990

We wanted automatic but at this price I couldn't refuse. FWIW we're not getting all the rebates above , just $1750 instead of $2k but price is still pretty low. Going to fly down to Portland tomorrow and drive it home.
post up what the on the road price is when you know it.

the fact that you guys are actually believing what you're posting is mind boggling. if you guys are buying these things for $10k, how are people still trading them a year and two later for $15k? it doesn't make sense. if this dealer truely is willing to lose multiple thousands of dollars per car, more power to them. let them know i'm willing to buy their dealer when they go out of business.
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Unread 08-09-2013, 07:52 AM   #26
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I wrote the check for the car. $13,490 plus state licensing, plus sales tax, plus $150 doc fees.
what was the amount for?
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Unread 08-09-2013, 10:26 AM   #27
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This pricing is astounding, if it is true. At this price, you could sell your vehicle at the end of the year and purchase a new vehicle every year at no cost.

I suppose a dealer could afford a loss on one vehicle a month if it brings in 5 other customers that they upsell to.
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Unread 08-09-2013, 03:40 PM   #28
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i need you all as customers
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Unread 08-09-2013, 04:59 PM   #29
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i need you all as customers
It's already a done deal. The grand total ending up exactly what I had anticipated, other than an additional ~$300 for accessories. I'm sorry for whatever issues you're struggling with on the matter but either you don't know as much as you think you do, or maybe "dreams" do come true.
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Unread 08-09-2013, 06:32 PM   #30
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Let me just say that I love this thread. Keep it up guys. And congrats on a crazy deal.
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